Re: SQL server Vs Oracle

David <desertfox_at_thegrid.net> wrote in message news:Zxc_2.721$i4.66305_at_alfalfa.thegrid.net...
> <Lots of market vs. product semantic drivel deleted>

Semantic is an essential part of the Queen's language. Omit it and you get MS marketing.

>
> So lets ask ourselves what exactly makes a market? Possibly several products
> used by the majority of a targeted audience? So lets take the Word Processor
> market which is made up of several major PRODUCTS that are exclusively used
> by 95% of a target audience. Many years ago this market was comprised of
> Word, Word Perfect, and a few others.

Wrong. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. Mentioning MS success in a field such as word processing, limited by definition to the desktop and using that to explain why they will take over the world of databases is in IMO the summit of semantic drivel, using your own terminology.

> >Oh puh-leaze. Stop confusing products with market. That is the most
> childish
> >argimentation I've heard from MS. Try to replace a market with a product,
> then
> >claim the market when the product is down. CRAP!
> Other than your childish semantic word game of Market vs. Product it would
> be nice if you would actually participate in some intelligent discussion.

Hang on a minute. Anything that demonstrates to the EVIDENCE the childish arguments used by MS to promote their products to technically challenged users is "childish semantic word game"? So what exactly is a line of argumentation that is sustainable in your view? One that agrees with the pure marketing drivel that MS puts out? One that accepts at face value that a MSCE is a competent IT professional? And other such little "pearls of wisdom"?

>
> .... and you're making what point here? Adding hardware in this day and age
> is actually a very cost effective solution. Maybe 10 years ago when 512k was
> $150 it might have been a bad idea but in many cases adding more hardware to
> increase scalability is the best way in this era of super-cheap hardware.

Here we go again with the "add-on cheap hardware" argument. For Pete's sake! It's about time this gets put to rest. This game was invented by IBM with their System3x series back in the late 60's. It has NEVER been proven to be correct.

Adding hardware to an overloaded system because the design is utter crap is only going to make it run flat out a lot faster. No matter what product is causing
the problem: SQL Server, ORACLE, Ingres, Informix, DB2, whatever.

If that was a solution, why is it that my 450MHz PII PC does run Word97 much, much slower than my 486-66 PC running Word2? You will NEVER reap the benefits of faster hardware because it will ALWAYS require a version of software that is bloated enough to grind it to a halt. 'Nuff said?

Look at the history of this industry for the last 20 years! Have you EVER seen an hardware improvment that wasn't immediately matched by more complex software? This then grinds it to a halt and makes a yet faster version of the hardware needed.

Argument closed, OK?

> And remember, I said MSFT was behind in this MARKET but they will catch up
> and overtake their competitors soon.
>

Depends on what you think "catch up" and "overtake" means. If you mean that the UNIX servers of this world are all soon gonna be NT boxes running SQL Server, you are fooling yourself as much as the UNIX guys fooled us 15 years ago when they said the same about the mainframes.

Fact is there are still a lot of mainframes out there running "monster" systems, despite what you may have heard. And it's only now, nearly 15 years later, that some big companies are STARTING to move their mainframe business to UNIX. Mostly because they were FORCED to do so due to Y2K problems. How many more Y2K's do you think there is gonna be? Do you think for a split second it won't take another eon before they will even look at the PC/NT side of the world? MS can invoke whatever market numbers they may want, fact is their place right now is as a replacement for Netware in the WAN/LAN and very little else.

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Cheers
Nuno Souto
nsouto_at_nsw.bigpond.net.au
http://www.acay.com.au/~nsouto/welcome.htm Received on Wed May 12 1999 - 06:45:25 CDT