Re: DBA Responsibilities... who owns the database?

Joel:

Excellent answer, and right on the mark! I would add that the developers should understand that they are accepting responsibility that they might not want if they think about it! "You broke it, you fix it" comes to mind.

Regards,
Dave

Joel Garry wrote in message ...
>On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:33:18 -0600, Kevin <kangus_at_NOSPAMacats.com> wrote:
>>Simple, gather all users and let them know that the developers want the
sys
>>password then duck.
>>After the dust settles find the Apps Director (if he is still around cause
>>even an idiot knows better then to give developers the key to the cookie
>>shop) and have him go to a book store to find out what a DBA does.
>
>I agree that this is the root of the problem - Oracle historically is
>complex and requires quite a bit of specialized training to understand
>what is physically going on, and this is masked by recent developments in
>"easy" front-ends, and to a lesser extent improvements in some of the more
>clunky back-end structures.
>
>I also agree with what someone else posted about "the writing on the wall"
>saying DBA's must move in the development direction to stay current in
today's
>world (as well as being one of those who would personally resist it, I
>already did my time as a hot-shot developer).
>
>The answer may be to put it in positive terms for the managers - we are
happy
>to delegate the responsibility as long as the company supports an
appropriate
>amount of training to those who would take over such responsibilities.
This
>would cost about half their time for several months and $10-20 thousand in
>training...
>
>>
>>Mike Oswald wrote in message <3574B0EB.706D8E1E_at_mitec.net>...
>>>Okay... so we are going around and around... I came from the
>>>Applications world and still do some development to support the DBA's
>>>using Oracle*Forms. But recently the Apps Director insisted that his
>>>Developers play/be the DBA's in an Oracle instance that we have setup
>>>for them (for testing).
>>>
>>>They seem to think it is okay to have the SYSTEM/SYS account password(s)
>>>and that they should be adding datafiles!
>>>
>>>So what is the general feeling out there? Your comments would be
>>>appreciated!
>>>
>>>Should the Apps Developers stay out of the SYSTEM / SYS accounts? I/we
>>>don't have a problem with the Developers creating tables/synonyms/etc...
>>>but to control the whole instance? Hmmmm!!!
>>>
>>>-Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Received on Sun Jun 07 1998 - 20:30:25 CDT