Re: Vote NO: Comp.databases.oracle.server.java

In article <351428CE.521ABF64_at_us.oracle.com>, Moe fardoost <mfardoos_at_us.oracle.com> wrote:
>Phil,
>
>First I apologize for cross posting. A couple of negative responses did go out to
>these newsgroups and I feel strongly that everyone interested in database development
>and Java should read this and take the appropriate action (vote Yes!) to help us
>create this news group.
>
>Thanks for pointing out the exact reasons why this newsgroup is needed. We had the
>same in mind when we wrote the proposal. The positioning of 'server' is vital.
>Discussions we propose to direct here are server side java where somewhere between 50
>to 80 percent of java applications will need to address. You gave other statistics
>that prove the same. People who fail to recognize the importance of server side Java
>are unfortunately still stuck in the old frame of mind that Java is only for client
>side development.

Then shouldn't it be comp.java.server.[oracle,sybase,rdb,ingres, postgres,db2,development,talk...]

Why should it even be under databases? Why should it be under Oracle?

>
>I noticed another posting (...csufresno.edu) takes a very offensive position with the
>proponents which I find very inappropriate. We are proposing a logical partitioning of
>comp.databases.oracle.server. One can use all kinds of tools to derive at what one
>wants but the real old timers recall my name. I have been a proponent of the web and
 

>newsgroups right from the start. It actually goes back to the CompuServer days! I
>strongly believe this newsgroup is needed. I have stated the reasons in the proposal
>(in complete agreement with your points). If anyone can point out a good reason why it
>should be placed somewhere else, I have no problem in resubmitting the proposal.

Don't you have to wait six months?

jg [GO ORACLE contributor of the month, April '93 or something, cdo for much of this decade - and still have people going "Who?"]

>
>Moe Fardoost
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>
>Phil Bradley wrote:
>
>> Steve
>>
>> Oracle has 60% of the corporate database server market. Java is being rapidly
>> adopted by coporations to develop business functionality. I saw that 11% of all
>> corporations (surveyed) in the USA adopted Java for the first time in Q4 97. The
>> total number of corporations using Java went from 22% to 33% in just one quarter.
>> This is a phenomenal statistic. Some may be developing web applets but I believe
>> most are using Java (I have no statistics to back this up) to develop function
>> that they can redeploy or simultaneuosly deploy at different places in a
>> heterogeous environment. Java stored procedures and server side Java using (using
>> Oracle's server optimised) JDBC will be very important. Oracle to it's credit has
>> seen this and has done, in general, the right thing.
>>
>> From a professional perspective, if I was only allowed one vote ever for a news
>> group, then I would vote for this one. And BTW I have already voted yes.
>>
>> And also BTW the 'server' in the name is what its all about. The points you raise
>> are really missing the point.
>>
>> Phil Bradley
>>
>> >
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