Re: Vote NO: Comp.databases.oracle.server.java

Phil,

First I apologize for cross posting. A couple of negative responses did go out to these newsgroups and I feel strongly that everyone interested in database development and Java should read this and take the appropriate action (vote Yes!) to help us create this news group.

Thanks for pointing out the exact reasons why this newsgroup is needed. We had the same in mind when we wrote the proposal. The positioning of 'server' is vital. Discussions we propose to direct here are server side java where somewhere between 50 to 80 percent of java applications will need to address. You gave other statistics that prove the same. People who fail to recognize the importance of server side Java are unfortunately still stuck in the old frame of mind that Java is only for client side development.

I noticed another posting (...csufresno.edu) takes a very offensive position with the proponents which I find very inappropriate. We are proposing a logical partitioning of comp.databases.oracle.server. One can use all kinds of tools to derive at what one wants but the real old timers recall my name. I have been a proponent of the web and newsgroups right from the start. It actually goes back to the CompuServer days! I strongly believe this newsgroup is needed. I have stated the reasons in the proposal (in complete agreement with your points). If anyone can point out a good reason why it should be placed somewhere else, I have no problem in resubmitting the proposal.

Moe Fardoost

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Phil Bradley wrote:



> Steve

>

> Oracle has 60% of the corporate database server market.  Java is being rapidly

> adopted by coporations to develop business functionality.  I saw that 11% of all

> corporations (surveyed) in the USA adopted Java for the first time in Q4 97.  The

> total number of corporations using Java went from 22% to 33% in just one quarter.

> This is a phenomenal statistic.  Some may be developing web applets but I believe

> most are using Java (I have no statistics to back this up) to develop function

> that they can redeploy or simultaneuosly deploy at different places in a

> heterogeous environment.  Java stored procedures and server side Java using (using

> Oracle's server optimised) JDBC will be very important.  Oracle to it's credit has

> seen this and has done, in general, the right thing.

>

> From a professional perspective, if I was only allowed one vote ever for a news

> group, then I would vote for this one.  And BTW I have already voted yes.

>

> And also BTW the 'server' in the name is what its all about.  The points you raise

> are really missing the point.

>

> Phil Bradley

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