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Re: Noob Oracle Question

From: DA Morgan <>
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:39:51 -0700
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Comments in-line.

joel garry wrote:
> DA Morgan wrote:

>> neo wrote:
>>> Remember guys, he DID already state that he was a noob.
>>> AND this is not a production database, they more than likely haven't
>>> even migrated any data into it.
>>> I don't understand why you are scolding someone for doing something
>>> they are CLEARLY asking you how to do.
>> No scolding him ... scolding his management.
>> I just don't believe in giving someone a job responsibility and then
>> denying them access to the tools to do a good job. If you feel
>> differently remember this thread the next time you are in the dentist's
>> office and someone new on the team comes into give your that hypo of
>> carbocaine. ;-)

> I was also struck by the OP "Implementing an Oracle based ERP system"
> combined with noob questions. I have cleaned up the results of doing
> such without a properly trained DBA involved... sometimes after the
> lawsuits are over.

That is what I keyed on. This is a serious responsibility and no one buys an ERP system for $19.99. Some at the corporate level spent a lot of money and it is being put to risk. Likely by blind or short-sighted middle management.

> But I agree, Daniel appeared a bit rough on the OP, I'm glad to see he
> meant the management.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

> What people need to take away from this is that
> Oracle is a big, deep pool, and throwing people in to sink or swim is
> rarely a good idea from a well-run organizations viewpoint.

Consider the number of jobs that get offshored when upper management looks at IT failures and determines their internal resources are not up to the task.

Do they ever interview the DBAs and ask why things are as they are? Of course not. They rely on middle management such as the Director of IT to answer the questions and that person is only interested in not taking personal the blame for failures. The very person who didn't give the OP the tools required to do a good job.

I probably should have railed against any IT Management putting a self-described noob in the position of doing it at all but that seemed self-evident.

> We've all been newbies, and many of us have had hard lessons. There have been
> attempts to cookbook this stuff, but when it comes to security, that
> just doesn't work. Perhaps the 2-day DBA stuff is even wrong.
> Sometimes you just need to pay for someone experienced to do it right.

And to train the new blood coming into the organization.

There is a lot of praise that should be given to organizations such as, for example, Dow Jones & Co. for making sure their people get the training they need to be successful.

Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
(replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
Received on Sat Aug 19 2006 - 14:39:51 CDT

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