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Re: getting certified

From: obiru <boogab00_at_yahoo.com>
Date: 5 Oct 2004 07:49:43 -0700
Message-ID: <32948959.0410050649.5c51910e@posting.google.com>


joel-garry_at_home.com (Joel Garry) wrote in message news:<91884734.0410041621.a5a02be_at_posting.google.com>...
> boogab00_at_yahoo.com (obiru) wrote in message news:<32948959.0410040600.4809954f_at_posting.google.com>...
> > Daniel Morgan <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:<1096733426.919631_at_yasure>...
> > > John T wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dave,
> > > >
> > > > What would be the best thing to do then?
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > "Dave" <david.sharples3_at_ntlXworld.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:Y8v7d.2680$J41.2215_at_newsfe5-gui.ntli.net...
> > > >
> > > >>"John T" <john.templeton2004NOSPAM_at_blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > >>news:WJu7d.179397$hZ3.179049_at_fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > > >>
> > > >>>Hi there,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I am currently learning Oracle, but is there any sort of Oracle
> > > >>>examination
> > > >>>or certification you can sit, to get proof you use it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Regards
> > > >>>
> > > >>>John
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>yes its called OCP, sear for it on oracle's site but dont expect it to get
> > > >>you anywhere
> > >
> > > A very difficult question. The OCP is as close to worthless as something
> > > can be. It has incorrect answers, it asks about obscurities, and it does
> > > not focus on those skills actually required to "do the job."
> > >
> > > At this point, unfortunately, our industry has no actual means of
> > > measuring competency. And that not only helps the feeble it hurts the able.
> >
> > I would have to respectfully disagree that "The OCP is as close to
> > worthless as something can be." Your points are well taken and
> > accurate, but those who are certified seem to have a better basic
> > understanding of the fundamentals of Oracle. To become an "expert" or
> > "guru", you must have this foundation.
>
> As one who has been around since before there was an OCP, and is OCP,
> I must say: Bullshit!
>
> I don't agree with Daniel that it is that close to worthless, as it
> does expose people to things they otherwise wouldn't ever see, but the
> things to be expert or guru are most certainly not OCP. I don't know
> one way or the other as regards to OCM.
>
> I'd say, look at the things people who are experts do, and measure
> expertise to there. Quite different than OCP.
>
> A couple of close readings of the concepts manual, together with some
> basic learning experiences with a live database and actual database
> situations, will give a better understanding of the fundamentals of
> Oracle than the OCP. Some good training will help to. But the
> classes oriented towards OCP? Not so good. I'd say an observation
> that the certified have a better understanding of the fundamentals may
> be skewed by the fact that those who are likely to have a better
> understanding are more likely to have taken the classes and certs, not
> the other way around. They are simply more motivated to have signs of
> achievements. Of course, if that is true, than that perhaps justifies
> HR departments asking for it, but since it is based on a fallacy, the
> HR departments are incorrectly rejecting more experienced people who
> can do the job better. Why can they do the job better? Because there
> is so much information to know, that consistently learning and
> improving is much better than either drinking from a firehose or
> lightly touching on too many things.
>
> jg

Wow, you guys are tough. All I said was that I think those who have their OCP generally seem to have a better foundation to build on. I was an Oracle DBA for 10 years before I got certified. Kept saying to myself the same things you guys are bringing up but to stay employed, it was a requirement. Studying for the certification helped me out a great deal. It does have mistakes in the test and it's by no means the best way to become knowledgable about Oracle fundamentals, but to say that it's close to worthless is also an incorrect statement in my opinion. Received on Tue Oct 05 2004 - 09:49:43 CDT

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