Daniel Morgan <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:<3FA3F188.2010404_at_x.washington.edu>...
> Chris Boyle wrote:
>
> >"Daniel Morgan" <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message
> >news:1067635804.777652_at_yasure...
> >
> >
> >>Ryan Gaffuri wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>do your students have experience before taking your class? are you
> >>>stating that your students get real oracle positions out of your
> >>>program with out any experience whatsoever. No offense, but I found
> >>>that hard to believe. You really cant hire a DBA without experience
> >>>anyway. They have to start as developers or Systems Administrators.
> >>>
> >>>what is the success rate of employment of your graduates and salary
> >>>ranges?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>My students are all industry professionals. Minimum requirement to get
> >>into the class is
> >>a CS degree and three-five year experience with SQL and/or PL/SQL. Some
> >>
> >>
> >have
> >
> >
> >>backgrounds in DB2, Informix, Sybase, and SQL Server: Very few make it
> >>in with MS
> >>Access. The rest have been working with Oracle.
> >>
> >>About 2/3 of my students are already employed and are motivated by one
> >>of three things (A)
> >>a thirst for more knowledge, (B) trying to advance, (C) trying to
> >>survive a threatened cutback.
> >>
> >>The remaining 1/3 are unemployed and looking for the knowledge to get
> >>them a decent resume,
> >>an interview, and a job. I used to have on problem arranging internships
> >>but that has gotten far
> >>more difficult in the last two years. For those that have found jobs
> >>about 10-15% end up at
> >>Microsoft (MS loves Oracle people), some have ended up at Boeing, at
> >>AT&T Wireless, and
> >>a variety of other local firms and most have doubled their pre-education
> >>income level (no jokes
> >>about the fact that it was zero please). I have one that was hired at
> >>Nike in Portland, then took
> >>on a contract in Dallas and just moved to another in St. Louis.
> >>
> >>But the main thing I see is that some employers are now sending their
> >>employees to the program
> >>and preferentially hiring graduates. It is the employer's response that
> >>is the most important feedback.
> >>It means that they can see the difference.
> >>
> >>Specific dollars I don't know and wouldn't provide if I did. But I do
> >>know that they are pulling down
> >>positions normally awarded to people with senior skills and getting
> >>comensurate pay.
> >>
> >>For those that want a sense of the curriculum here are the topics
> >>covered for the last two weeks in
> >>the advanced program:
> >>
> >>Class 3:
> >>Coalesce
> >>Unistr
> >>SYS.ANYDATA
> >>User Defined Types
> >>Nested Tables
> >>Constructors
> >>Collections
> >>Objects
> >>Varrays
> >>PL/SQL tables
> >>
> >>Class 4:
> >>Object Views
> >>Type Methods
> >>Object Table Primary Keys
> >>The PLUSTRACE Role
> >>The GROUP_ID() function
> >>SQL Tuning with AUTOTRACE
> >>The APPEND hint
> >>DBMS_REDEFINITION Built-in Function
> >>
> >>And if that seems rather ambitious to you ... you should meet my students.
> >>They are really that good. And we bounce around intentionally to keep the
> >>energy level high.
> >>
> >>For the "basic" program this is what was covered during the same two
> >>week period:
> >>
> >>Class 4:
> >>Indexes (B*Tree, Bitmap, Reverse Key, Descending, Compressed,
> >>Partitioned, IOT)
> >>Dump & VSize functions
> >>DBMS_STATS
> >>DBMS_METADATA
> >>Translate & Replace functions
> >>
> >>Class 5:
> >>Deferred Constraints
> >>Sequences
> >>Synonyms
> >>Substring & Instring functions
> >>
> >>--
> >>Daniel Morgan
> >>http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
> >>http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
> >>damorgan_at_x.washington.edu
> >>(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Do you know of a school that offers that level of courses online? The last
> >program i tried, i found the class material out of date ( the backup and
> >recovery class taken Fall 2002 was on 8.0.5 with no mention of rman) or
> >taught at such an elementary level as to be ineffective.
> >
> >
> >
> I am currently in negotiations with one of the University of California
> campuses to do exactly that.
> If it works out I should know by the end of the year and it will be
> available in 2004.
>
> Any announcement I make will be in c.d.o.marketplace or linked under my
> signature.
>
> But also check out Oracle user groups. I can't speak for those elsewhere
> in the country but with
> our newly revitalized Puget Sound Oracle Users Group I am teaching
> university level programs
> there six months out of twelve. And they are offering Saturday classes
> on RAC, RMAN, Exception
> Handling, etc.: All very intense. I have posted some of my examples at
> http://www.psoug.org, under
> What's Hot, and you are welcome to work through them as well as the many
> linked pages. The
> only caveat is that some of the pages are not compeleted so it is still
> a work in progress as are some
> of the other links at the site. I would expect all will be fully fleshed
> out by the end of the year.
>
> --
> Daniel Morgan
> http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
> http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
> damorgan_at_x.washington.edu
> (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)
>
>
> --
your class isnt remotely related to what that guy is looking for. your
essentially offering graduate level work to experienced professionals.
I see nothing wrong with that. Its the entry level course work that is
a complete scam. Alot of universities offer the same garbage that the
training companies. Even ones that have ranked computer science
departments. They just want the cash.
Received on Mon Nov 03 2003 - 11:17:43 CST
