Re: Yet another certification question, with a twist

"MM" <mlm_at_mintorealestate.com> wrote in message news:f18e04f8.0307150712.249c07ef_at_posting.google.com...
> on second thought, it seems more useful to get into the developer side
> ... my understanding is that most DBAs first spend at least a couple
> of years in development type functions. So why is it that most
> companies, even schools focus ONLY on the courses for the DBA track
> and not other tracks??? This is annoying because not only does the
> DBA certification NOT prepare you for a DBA position, but it doesn't
> look like you get into as much of the nitty-gritty things like PL/SQ,
> therefore it doesn't prepare you for a developer function either ... i
> don't know i'm still trying to figure all of this out.
>
> mlm_at_mintorealestate.com (MM) wrote in message
news:<f18e04f8.0307142312.24b8216d_at_posting.google.com>...
> > So I'm thinking about getting an Oracle certification. I realize that
> > this is not necessarily a guarantee in the job market and many people
> > differ on the real impact of an Oracle certification for employment.
> > My background is mainly with MS Access and Web databases with
> > ColdFusion, so I have some of the SQL basics down and a good general
> > idea relational databases. But this is the extent of my related
> > knowledge, besides one C++ course a couple of years back, which was
> > good, but was a long time ago. So I feel that taking a couple of
> > Oracle certification courses may be the easiest way for me to get
> > exposed to the application. The certification itself is somewhat
> > secondary. In fact, I was thinking of doing the Oracle9iAS Web
> > Administrator track because there's only one test involved...(except
> > that it doesn't seem as in depth as the DBA track, which is more what
> > I'm familiar with, I think). I don't think I'd want to get too deep
> > into the process, but go just to the Associate level to get my feet
> > wet and then see what I can do on my own from there. Any thoughts?

DBA is a buzzword and they are selling you a product. Look at most 'java' training. Ive seen companies charge $10,000 for a class and look at their focus. J2EE and XML. Buzzwords. Your not going to learn J2EE before you learn object oriented programming and nobody gets hired just for understanding XML. You get hired because you can do X, but can also do XML. These classes are a scam. They are just praying on desperate people who need jobs.

The market is terrible. There really arent any entry level developer jobs now. Im being very honest. You really should 'test' the waters. Make a hotmail account. Post an anonymous resume on Monster.com as an entry level person. Then make one on dice.com under a different name. See what contacts you get.

you can even try applying through this email. You really need a computer science degree or a masters in Computer Science to get into programming these days and many if not most of the CS graduates from college arent getting jobs. Your going to have less qualifications than them.

I dont want to be harsh, but Ive seen ALOT of people throw away alot of money. Recently I heard one company advertise on the radio trying to get people to get Microsoft Certifications??? Thats been dead since 1999. The market is TOTALLY flooded their.

btw, certification does help if you have experience. Alot of employers like it. I didnt say 'all', but I know alot of them like it. Particularly DBA certificaiton. Received on Tue Jul 15 2003 - 16:10:22 CDT