Re: Oracle DBA training

There is a BIG difference in the following two statements:

1. Noone can do it
2. Hardly anyone can do it.

The fact that you found ONE example does not impress me. There are literally thousands of people around the US taking these DBA courses. I have seen a grand total of ONE entry level DBA class advertised in the last year paying $25k in Connecticut.

Also, there is a BIG difference to what your friend did "a few years ago" and what the current market is like today.

1. The market is SLOW. We are not in an economic recession, but we are in a jobs recession.
2. Alot more immigrants with work experience come here every year. Much harder to compete with them when you start out(this is not an anti-immigrant post... just a point)
3. The market is maturing. Oracle is now 20 years old. As time goes on more and more people with more experience will be available. Someone with 5 years experience ten years ago, was alot more rare than today.

Dont this to this guy... he is clueless. You wont get a job. Dont waste your money. Just test the market first. Find out what they teach in the class. Add it to your current resume and pass it out. Your only calls will be from recruiters who dont know how to read a resume. Do this for 3 months. Apply nationwide.

BTW, dont take a CHUBB class. I cant stand them. They are pushy and pretentious. I cant stand pushy sales people. Find someone else.

"worlok" <the_worlok_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message news:59e8f38f.0204201451.254b8b90_at_posting.google.com...
> Don't say that. My cousin's husband works in NYC as a DBA, so he
> says. A few years ago this guy came out of Chubb and knew not very
> much of anything, got a job with IT in UPS, they sent him to a class,
> gave him some stuff a little at a time. He says that later on he was
> working as an indep. contractor in NYC and says he was taking in about
> US$300k/yr. Now he is a dba but he is no programmer and never was.
> He says that it limits him but he says as a salaried employee he is
> making somewhere around US$100k/yr. I dunno, is he lying? I hope so
> because I've been with computers since I'm a kid, I taught
> myself UNIX and am a UNIX sysadmin now and make under US$70k/yr, and
> frankly feel like a failure when I talk to this guy, b/c I KNOW I'm as
> smart or smarter than him and can do anything he does and more if I
> could find a company willing to make me a dba like he found, but I
> give him credit since he has alot of self confidence and can schmooz,
> which is something I lack. Maybe he is just a good b*llsh*tter.....
>
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> "RKG" <rkg100_at_erols.com> wrote in message
news:<a9nk3m$dij$1_at_bob.news.rcn.net>...
> > No you wont get a job. There is no such thing as an entry level DBA.
They
> > will tell you that you will be "junior" after you finish the course. You
> > wont, your entry level until you have experience. Junior DBAs are people
who
> > were Oracle Developers for 2+ years.
> >
> > You have to start as a developer if you want to get a job in Oracle.
> > However, that market is so tight that unless you have a computer science
> > degree... dont waste your money. Hardly anyone will hire people without
> > experience or a 4 year programming type degree.
> >
> >
> > "Bill" <wjapinga_at_mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:a9k7hg$mod$2_at_slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > Training Questions:
> > > 1. Is commercial certificate training a viable way to get into an
> > > entry-level
> > > Oracle DBA position? (Yup, I know the IT market is down, but
likely
> > > back up by the time I'm ready.)
> > > 2. Are there cheaper, but still practical alternatives? - I recognize
that
> > > this
> > > isn't a "sit down with a book and a PC" committment.
> > > 3. I would appreciate any feedback on the Oracle program at Skidmore
> > > College. Anyone who went through this program or has interviewed
> > > folks who came out of Skidmore.
> > >
> > > Career Questions:
> > > There seems to be a bunch of different positions available related to
> > > Oracle.
> > > If I were more interested in Oracle-related development, database
design,
> > > etc.
> > > is it usual to first go through the DBA job track or is there a
pathway to
> > > these
> > > other positions?
> > >
> > > If it makes any difference, my experience is 20 years as a credit
> > > analyst/loan
> > > officer, but I've done some decent Access database development. Figure
if
> > > I am going to change careers at this point, I might as well go
directly to
> > > the best.
> > >
> > > Thanks very much for any input!
> > > Bill Japinga
> > > wjapinga_at_mindspring.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
Received on Sun Apr 21 2002 - 09:30:28 CDT