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Re: Nested joins and ODBC

From: Jim Kennedy <kennedy-family_at_attbi.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:11:04 GMT
Message-ID: <IFgs8.236449$702.41206@sccrnsc02>


Actually, why don't you use unions? Even more database neutral than the inner join syntax. If you have been developing since Oracle 6 then I think that would be the first thing to try.
Jim
"Silvio Bierman" <sbierman_at_idfix.nl> wrote in message news:a8ror8$lcp$1_at_news1.xs4all.nl...
> Daniel,
>
> Thanks for responding to my post.
>
> I would like to set the record straight: I have been developing Unix based
> Oracle applications (mainly server apps for voice-response environments,
> some C/S desktop apps) since Oracle 6 and have years of experience as both
> application developer and database admin. I have a thorough understanding
> about the fundamental differences between Oracle and SQL-Server.
Therefore,
> I am not expecting Oracle to mimic SQL-Server behaviour.
>
> However, if Oracle distributes an ODBC-driver it automatically takes on
the
> burden of conforming to some of the mainstream behaviour most ODBC-enabled
> database platforms display. One particularly important area is that of
> adhering to as much as possible of the ODBC SQL-grammar for SELECT, INSERT
> and UPDATE statements. If I am to develop a multi-backend app using ODBC
> proprietary join operators simply aren't an option, be they Oracles (+) or
> SQL-Servers (*). The only way to overcome these differences is to rely on
> the ability of the ODBC-driver to interpret the ODBC join syntax and
convert
> to the proper backend-syntax.
>
> Therefore, my question is not so much about the Oracle database server as
it
> is about the Oracle ODBC driver. If it is not able to do nested ODBC-style
> joins I think it is useless, despite the undisputed excellence of the
> backend!
>
> Silvio Bierman
>
> "damorgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3CAE3CFD.BEA87090_at_exesolutions.com...
> > No you don't. What you need to do is get an Oracle book, open it, and
read
> > it.
> >
> > I work in Redmond, WA. Many of my friends work for Microsoft. But I have
> to
> > confess I am getting sick and tired of the MS mentality which is that
> > whatever way I did it in a Microsoft product is the way it works and
> anything
> > else is the work of a medieval demon or worse. Get over it. Quickly!
> >
> > If you are going to work in Oracle the first thing you need to learn is
> that
> > it is not a Microsoft product. It does not work like a Microsoft
product.
> It
> > is not supposed to work like a Microsoft product. And if Larry doesn't
> lose
> > his mind it never will. The syntax is different, the architecture is
> > different, transactions are different, data integrity is different,
> locking
> > is different, and the very basis of the system is multiversioning which
> SQL
> > Server doesn't have.
> >
> > So unless you have some over-riding desire to make a huge ugly mess and
> then
> > blame it on Oracle get a book and read it. The problems with Oracle will
> not
> > be the software. If you make an insecure, unscalable, lousy performing
> home
> > to corrupt data put the blame squarely where it belongs ... on yourself.
> >
> > Back to your question: Can it be done? Of course. But only by people who
> > learn how!
> >
> > Daniel Morgan
> >
> >
> >
> > Silvio Bierman wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am porting a SQLServer app to Oracle 8 (using Oracle ODBC-driver)
and
> I
> > > have stumbled onto a problem.
> > >
> > > I need to join three tables together using the join syntax:
> > >
> > > select * from a left outer join b on a.x=b.y left outer join c on
> b.i=c.j
> > >
> > > When I join only two tables I can use
> > >
> > > select * from {oj a left outer join b on a.x=b.y}
> > >
> > > but this does not work when joining more than two tables.
> > >
> > > Can this be done?
> > >
> > > Because the app needs to run on SQLServer also I can not use the
Oracle
> > > outer join syntax!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Silvio Bierman
> >
>
>
Received on Mon Apr 08 2002 - 08:11:04 CDT

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