Re: Does'nt the certification process help ?

"Ryan Gaffuri" <rkg100_at_erols.com> wrote in message news:a6boha$qov$1_at_bob.news.rcn.net...
> The short term Oracle training is a scam. I live in Northern Virginia and
> the market is flooded with people coming out of these expensive
classes(some
> cost upwards of $8,000). There really arent jobs available for people who
> only have a few months of training. Especially in a slow economy. The
people
> who get jobs in the US are US Citizens with security clearances or they
have
> other experience that is leveragable. Training companies will tell you
that
> you can leverage nursing skills, etc... Its BS.
>
> If you have other programmign experience, your good. If you are a CPA your
> pretty good. There is a tool called Oracle Financials. Alot of demand for
> CPAs with Oracle skills. Other than that its VERY tight. I would say that
> 80-90% of the people who take training classes who do not have any of the
> above skills do not get jobs. If not higher.
>
> To test this simply send out your current resume and include a paragraph
> about Oracle training you got. You will get calls from recruiters who cant
> read resumes, but you probably wont get far. Maybe, you will get lucky,
but
> 9 out of 10 wont.
>
> Certification without experience helps a little bit, but what really helps
> is a computer science degree. The problem with hiring people right out of
> class is the following..
>
> 1. Most classes are not very good
> 2. Most people who take the classes dont do much. You have to do ALOT of
> work on the side when your just learning. 90% dont do nearly enough. So
how
> do you tell who is ready?
> 3. People switch jobs on a dime in this business once you get experience
so
> why spend money training you if your just gonna quit?
> 4. Your not really much cheaper. LEts say they can get you for $25k less
> than someone with 2 years experience right? Well you are going to need
ALOT
> more help from people making $150-200k than someone with a little
> experience... that is a high cost.
>
> I wont say dont do it. I did it and got a job... but I am in a very
> exclusive minority. BTW, stay away from any class that has the word boot
> camp in it. Total waste of money if your just learning. You need something
> that is about 2 nights a week for 3-4 months atleast.

Thanks Ryan,

The course I am looking at is from a local community college and it is two nights a week for
a period of 26 weeks and a total of 290 hrs.

Database creation 72 hrs.
Database administration 72 hrs.
Performance tuning workshop 72 hrs
Network administration and backup and recovery 84 hrs. Expected homework time is stated as 8 -12 hrs a week. Cost of $ 3952.00 CDN, which is what about $2000.00 U.S. which includes student kits from Oracle.

What do you think ?

Regards Paul. Received on Fri Mar 08 2002 - 20:19:23 CST