Re: 5 stupid (?) questions regarding OAS 4081

Don Miller wrote:

> Hello Martin,
>
> I do not have all of the answers, but I can contribute some. Also, I will
> stay tuned to this newsgroup to find the other answers, as they would help
> me. I am installing 8.1.5 with 4.0.8.1 with no luck as well. I have
> started from scratch by reinstalling the 8.1.5 database and then installing
> OAS 4.0.8.1. I have it to the point of running, but the listeners will not
> start. Anyway here are the answers I have for you:
>
> 2. OAS 4.0.8.1 uses a non-Y2K compliant installer, but when support tells
> you it has anything to do with your problem it is there way of getting you
> off the phone. Don't believe them and tell them you have tried the Y2k
> compliant installer and you have the same error. I am not sure of the
> technicalities of the non-y2k compliance, but they exist.
>
> 3. OAS 4.0.8.1 is a new release and can be installed alone without 4.0.7 or
> previous versions. As a matter of fact, it will be to your benefit if you
> do install without a previous version. Why it is half the size, I do not
> know?
>
> 4. OAS is equivalent to Microsoft's IIS; whereas, it listen for web calls
> and run HTML pages on the fly. OAS interfaces with the Oracle database
> easily and you are able to create dynamic html pages from within the
> database by using PL/SQL procedures.
>
> 5. WEBDB has the listening piece ( along with some other pieces ) of the
> OAS built in, but it can not handle massive hits. WEBDB is a smaller scale
> listner than OAS. In other words, you would be wise to install OAS and then
> install the WEBDB as a cartridge. WEBDB is actually a user-friendly tool to
> utilize for non-technical persons to supplement the PL/SQL procedures I
> previously talked about.
>
> I hope this answered some of your questions, and I am going through the same
> process as you. So feel free to email me and maybe we can put our heads
> together to resolve our situations.
>
> Don Miller
> dmiller_at_nsf.org
>
> Martin Vonk <mwvonk_at_wxs.nl> wrote in message
> news:88scr5$1gdrn$1_at_reader4.wxs.nl...
> > Hello Folks,
> >
> > It might be a surprise to you all :-), but I'm a bit frustrated about
> Oracle
> > Support. I had/have 5 simple / stupid (?) questions regarding OAS
> (4.0.8.1).
> > All the answers I got, where unsatisfactory. So I 've put hem in the
> waste
> > basket.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > 1. OAS 4.0.8.1 and Oracle 8i
> > The OAS 4081 release notes state: "Note that 7.3.4 and 8.1.5 are certified
> > for use with OAS 4.0.8.1, but they must not be installed on the same NT
> > machine as OAS."
> > Is this true or not ?
> > If so, why can this combination not run on one machine ?
> > Does anyone has other experiences with it ?
> >
> > 2. OAS 4.0.8.1 makes use of an Oracle Installer.
> > Is it a Y2K compliant one or not.?
> > If it isn't, can somebody give me an idea how to use the Y2K compliant
> > installer in combination with the setup / installation procedure.
> >
> > 3. Is OAS 4.0.8.1 a new release which can be run indepedently from OAS
> 4.0.7
> > ?
> > (OAS 408 is half the size in MB of OAS 407). I assume so, but the
> > installation manual (pdf) suggests otherwise.
> >
> > 4. Can somebody describe, in plain (non technical) English, what OAS
> > (4.0.8.1) is actually doing ?. (I could install OAS 407/Oracle 805 and it
> > worked.) But if people asked me what it was actually doing, I could not
> give
> > an adequate answer like with eg Forms: "It's a tool by which you can
> > retrieve data from a database and insert new data into a database by
> means
> > of user friendly interface."
> >
> > 5. What is the difference in functionality with respect to Web
> applications
> > between WebDB and OAS ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >

Martin answered pretty much all the questions; here's my 2c: 1) you have already noted it does not work on the same machine, so it must be true
The reason for that is probably (!), that the supporting software is of Oracle 8.0;
8.1 and 7.3 are quite different, and will not function correctly (as above shows)
2) Wouldn't know. Start the correct installer, select 'Install From', and find the
nt.prd file on the CD (probably in the install\win32 dir) 3) That's two questions, so two answers: It's a maintenance release: the 3rd digit changes. Minor releases change 2nd digit,
major ones the first. 4th and 5th are patch level releases. As to wether you can run it independently, why would you run 407 and 408 off one box?
Because it's a maintence release, you'd probably have to use a different oracle_home
to start with. Being the product it is, you will end up with confusion (HTTP listeners
tend to listen on port 80, to name one point) 4) Martin explained perfectly, I think
5) You can still handle a fair amount of requests via WebDb... I would not position it
as a small load tool. OAS has other features, like the possibility to configure other
agents in it, WebDb has not. WebDb is a HTTP listener and a PL/SQL cartridge, and
that's it. No more options, but surely you can run production off it. OAS has more options.
OAS can do load balancing, if that's what Martin refers to as heavier loads, OK. So OAS
can handle heavier loads (if installed on multiple machines...)

Met vriendelijke groet/kind regards,

Frank van Bortel
Technical consultant Oracle Received on Wed Feb 23 2000 - 17:53:01 CST