Re: Upgrading with no patches in the "base"?

the only way the visit to the unpatched version makes sense, is when the intention is to never leave that version. which doesn’t make sense in today’s world. there is no sensible, logical other way in which using the unpatched version otherwise makes sense with the given information.

Frits Hoogland

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> On 8 Jan 2021, at 16:27, Mark J. Bobak <mark_at_bobak.net> wrote:
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> "They will test this for a while, and if everything is fine, THEN they will apply the patch."
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> And what if everything *isn't* fine? Then they *won't* apply the patch?
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> Doesn't make sense.
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> -Mark
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> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 10:19 AM Noveljic Nenad <nenad.noveljic_at_vontobel.com <mailto:nenad.noveljic_at_vontobel.com>> wrote:
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> That sounds like black magic.
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> If “for a while” implies two different maintenance windows, you end up with two test cycles and two disruptions instead of just one. If you get the opportunity to combat these voodoo practitioners in front of the management, the most persuasive argument would be that the database will be running without security and other critical patches for a while. Who’s going to take that risk?
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> Last but not least, why not 19c?
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> Best regards,
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> From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>> On Behalf Of Michael Kline
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> Subject: Upgrading with no patches in the "base"?
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> Hearing that an application is going to be upgraded from 12.1 to 12.2.
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> Vendor is saying they will create a “blank, no patched” 12.2 $ORACLE_HOME, and then upgrade the database.
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> They will test this for a while, and if everything is fine, THEN they will apply the patch.
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> I’ve never heard of such a thing and have been working on Oracle databases since 1983, version 4.0.
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> Is there logic in this? We try to keep all databases at N-1 on patching.
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> Michael Kline
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