Re: Learn Cloud or Do Oracle OCM ..confused

certs are a marketing tool

for managed services companies , such as Pythian, the marketing folks can tout all the certs

for individuals certs are one way to get someone to look at your CV/Resume

for oracle, certs are a large revenue stream due to required courses.

certs are also good as a syllabus to get you familiar with some technology, though that is certainly not a required method

getting a cert means you somehow managed to pick enough of the correct answers among all the poorly worded answers to pass a test.

certs do not necessarily make one a better DBA.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:44 Noveljic Nenad <nenad.noveljic_at_vontobel.com> wrote:

>
> According to a recruiter covering the Swiss job market, the certification
> is neither decisive for landing a job nor for getting a higher salary. In
> other words, its financial utility seems to be close to zero.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nenad
>
>
> https://nenadnoveljic.com/blog/
>
>
>
> *Von: *kunwar singh <krishsingh.111_at_gmail.com>
> *Datum *Samstag, 26. Okt. 2019, 10:59 PM
> *An: *Clay Jackson (cjackson) <Clay.Jackson_at_quest.com>
> *Cc: *ORACLE-L <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> *Betreff: *Re: Learn Cloud or Do Oracle OCM ..confused
>
> Hi Clay,
> Thanks for your email . Very helpful insights . Your reply has been very
> helpful . At the same time it is making me wonder if your reply would be
> more relevant to me if were a project manager leading a group . But i am an
> individual contributor ( not leading people ) and would like to remain one
> and usually individual contributors are hired based on a skill set and I am
> seeking to develop those skills . And that is where my question came from .
> Please correct me if you think I am wrong .
>
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 1:41 PM Clay Jackson (cjackson) <
> Clay.Jackson_at_quest.com> wrote:
>
>> To be brutally honest - Certifications in general are a good indicator
>> of someone’s ability to memorize answers and “parrot” responses. While
>> I’ve found Oracle Certifications “better than most” as far as “suitability
>> for employment in a specific organization” indicators; they are still just
>> ONE factor in a complex human interaction.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, this “Grumpy Old Guy’s” recommendation would be to concentrate on the
>> “human factors”, learning about why IT is important to business, how to
>> interact with people on project teams, how to adapt to change, and being a
>> good “generalist” as opposed to some specific technology which will be out
>> of date by the time you get your certification.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Clay Jackson*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> *On
>> Behalf Of *kunwar singh
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 26, 2019 6:52 AM
>> *To:* ORACLE-L <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
>> *Subject:* Learn Cloud or Do Oracle OCM ..confused
>>
>>
>>
>> *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the organization. Do
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>>
>>
>> *Hi all,*
>>
>> What would be more beneficial in the long term in your opinion?
>>
>>
>>
>> Oracle OCM certification (and things learned during its time preparation
>> ) or learning cloud .
>>
>> I don’t want to do both as don’t get much free time and want to gain
>> expert level knowledge so that I am gainfully employed for next 5 years or
>> so .
>>
>> I am oracle performance dba in my current role .
>>
>> So looking for insights on what community members here think .
>>
>>
>>
>> I am interested in both , but thinking what value OCM will hold with all
>> the cloud focus these days . In my job I am getting chance to play with
>> python , so atleast I am learning a new skill currently too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>> Kunwar
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kunwar
>>
> --
> Cheers,
> Kunwar
>
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