Re: Learn Cloud or Do Oracle OCM ..confused

Thanks much Franck, Mladen, Vishnu for useful suggestions. Your suggestions have helped made my mind. !!! Cloud the winner :)

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 5:43 AM Franck Pachot <franck_at_pachot.net> wrote:

> Hi Kunwar,
> The OCM itself may not bring you a lot (except if you are a consultant and
> then it can help to maintain higher rates as an external proof that you are
> a specialist). Or save time when applying to a DBA position as it is like a
> technical interview that is already passed (but it does not cover all parts
> of the job of course). But, as you say, you will learn a lot in the
> preparation. And you may enjoy the exam: it can give you more confidence
> that your knowledge covers all important database areas.
> You say "I am oracle performance dba in my current role" and then it can
> be the occasion to look at other aspects if you don't cover them already.
> But of course, you may prefer to learn about cloud technologies and
> methods, in the idea that you will still have to use your performance
> skills on environments managed by automation for the other stuff. Both
> makes sense - depends on what you want to work in the future.
> Regards,
> Franck.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 3:52 AM Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am a bitter opponent of the certifications. I was Oracle OCA for Oracle
>> 8i and 9i. I felt sick in my stomach when doing those certification exams.
>> Those certifications require essentially the same skill as was required to
>> learn poems in school: listen my children and you shall hear about the
>> midnight ride of Paul Revere....A beautiful poem, though.
>>
>> What certification process does not teach is the understanding of the
>> different components. I have interviewed certified DBA people who haven't
>> understood the tuning process. In particular, I asked the following
>> question: users of a particular application start complaining that the
>> application response is slow. What do you do? The most frequent and
>> completely inaccurate answer was "i run AWR report". Some of the
>> interviewed folks didn't know what gc 2-way waits are and how to avoid
>> them. And if you go a bit out of the Oracle universe and ask for the
>> difference between a PC and a mini computer or why would you need an HBA
>> with iSCSI, there is a fair amount of blank stares or tries to rephrase the
>> question and offer it as an answer. Such blatantly rude tactics immediately
>> get under my skin. There are cases of OCP who know only Oracle SQL and only
>> on Windows. Until approximately 5 years ago, one of my regular questions
>> was the one about the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow. However,
>> recent candidates have not watched mandatory classics like MP & Holly
>> Grail, Life of Brian, Dr. Strangelove or Apocalypse Now. Strange as it may
>> sound, some of them haven't even seen The Animal House. My questions are
>> out of date and can only be answered by the people 45 or older. I've said
>> to a new DBA that she's now under double secret probation and she asked me
>> what is that? Until very recently, the understanding of the references like
>> that revealed certain psychology type and belonging to certain group of
>> people, usually known as "computer geeks" of which I am a proud member. No
>> certification guarantees of overall good understanding of IT technology.
>> One of my newer questions is: how will you find out who is doing the most
>> of IO on your DB server? The first answer is usually a query to V$SESSTAT,
>> which will not catch a botched Perl script or a security product which
>> continually checks file flags. ClamAV anyone? What a reply like this tells
>> me is that the user doesn't understand the overall IT technology and is
>> problematic, despite a certification. I prefer good references and
>> experiences on the resume to certification.
>> On 10/27/19 9:48 PM, Vishnu Potukanuma wrote:
>>
>> A certification will definitely help and will elevate your carrier as
>> well... especially OCM.. and the employment prospects are high provided
>> that your resume makes it till the technical panel ..
>> The irony is in reality most recruiters/managers who filter the resumes
>> doesn't care or know about what is OCM.. in few cases they thought OCP is
>> higher....
>>
>> I see that you are an Oracle performance DBA in your current role..
>> explore this area to the fullest means possible... Oracle DBAs specialising
>> in performance tuning are a rare breed and you wont find many in the market
>> and the actual filtering ratio will be 200/300:1 to find a good performance
>> tuning DBA who knows stuff apart from the fundamentals and we had to
>> struggle a lot each time a DBA would go out of the team and it took us
>> approximately 3 months to find the right resource. I would recommend you to
>> focus all your attention in Cloud / Performance tuning for now and prepare
>> for OCM in your part time.
>>
>> it hardly takes 2 months to finish preparing and practicing for OCM
>> especially if you follow the schedule properly take a topic a day (probably
>> an hour or two) and try to finish it and practice it the alternate day...
>> Its a tough exam but it is real easy! but earning the certification is
>> different from living up to the expectations.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vishnusivathej
>> Oracle 11g/12c OCM
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 2:36 AM Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/26/19 9:51 AM, kunwar singh wrote
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> What would be more beneficial in the long term in your opinion?
>>>
>>>
>>> Oracle OCM certification (and things learned during its time preparation
>>> ) or learning cloud .
>>>
>>> I don’t want to do both as don’t get much free time and want to gain
>>> expert level knowledge so that I am gainfully employed for next 5 years or
>>> so .
>>>
>>> I am oracle performance dba in my current role .
>>>
>>> So looking for insights on what community members here think .
>>>
>>>
>>> I am interested in both , but thinking what value OCM will hold with all
>>> the cloud focus these days . In my job I am getting chance to play with
>>> python , so atleast I am learning a new skill currently too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>> Kunwar
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kunwar
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Kunwar!
>>>
>>> Why not both? You can become an Oracle Cloud Master, OCM for short. In
>>> other words, you could become a genuine Oracle rain man.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mladen Gogala
>>> Database Consultant
>>> Tel: (347) 321-1217
>>>
>>> --
>> Mladen Gogala
>> Database Consultant
>> Tel: (347) 321-1217
>>
>>

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Cheers,
Kunwar

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