Re: Oracle JAVA licensing

Has anyone kicked the tires on the Amazon corretto project?

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 10:17 AM Bill Ferguson <wbfergus_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jeff (Smith). That's helps a lot in assuring me that I am working
> under the correct assumptions.
>
> I wondered about how all of this pertained to SQL Developer and SQLc,
> since the documentation I found said the JDBC wasn't covered, and that what
> those products use. Really confusing when the Corporation says the use of
> their officially supported free product is covered and while that product
> may be free, the underlying connective layer required to use the product
> requires a license. LOL
>
> Bill Ferguson
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 8:04 AM Jeff Smith <jeff.d.smith_at_oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> *Hopefully we can get somebody from Oracle to make an official statement
>> on a public site clarifying these (and I'm sure other) points.*
>>
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>> You pulled in the right info, esp this bit:
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>> *If I use another Oracle product that relies on the Oracle Java SE
>> runtime, how will a Java SE Subscription affect me?*
>> *If you use any Oracle product that requires Java SE, you are already
>> licensed to use the Oracle Java SE runtime with, and for the sole purpose
>> of running, that Oracle product*
>>
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>>
>> That’s from an oracle.com site, and written by the Oracle Java Product
>> team. There’s also a reference there to a MOS article that gets into the
>> particulars.
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>> As the PM for SQL Developer with about 5-7,000,000 users worldwide, I’m
>> obviously expecting a lot of questions around this.
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>> This info is what we have today to assure those users they don’t need to
>> pay for Oracle JDK to use SQL Developer – since it and the Oracle Database
>> are both Oracle products that require Oracle JDK to use.
>>
>>
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>> I’m working with said Java PM team to get a more explicit language
>> version of the above to directly call out our products as being exempt from
>> the $-licensing requirement. But under the current terms, you’re already
>> covered.
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>> You should always contact your Oracle account manager for clarification
>> on all things licensing. However, if you run into problems with my products
>> (sqldev, modeler, sqlcl, ords) – please feel free to contact me ASAP.
>>
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>>
>> Jeff
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>> *From:* Bill Ferguson <wbfergus_at_gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 5, 2019 9:51 AM
>> *To:* jbeckstrom_at_gcrta.org
>> *Cc:* oracle-l-freelist <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: Oracle JAVA licensing
>>
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>>
>> I was debating about asking this question myself as well. There is a hell
>> of a lot of mass confusion and hysteria about this, especially in my
>> Federal Government organization. The idiots in charge, that can barely
>> spell "Java", let alone "Oracle" issued an edict that all installations of
>> every version of java, must be removed in a couple months, or each office
>> would have to make it's own arrangements to pay a separate license fee. It
>> appears to me that non of them bothered to do even basic research on the
>> subject. I started Googling and then conducting searches within the Oracle
>> namespace, and it appears that (though I could be wrong):
>> 1. JAVA SE is going to be a new name for the Java JRE
>>
>> 2. the OpenJDK is still going to be free and supported
>>
>> 3. Most people and installations don't need to worry, this primarily
>> effects Java developers, but the licensing cost is still fairly minimal
>> considering the money the developers charge for their final products
>>
>> and 4, if you use Java to interact with any of your licensed Oracle
>> software, you are already covered by the new java licensing.
>>
>> But, with those assumptions of mine out of the way, I am still confused a
>> bit on several areas.
>>
>> It seems like all Oracle products use java as part of the Oracle
>> Universal Installer (OUI). The documentation I've found so far states java
>> doesn't need to be licensed on the server where your database resides, but
>> I haven't found anything clear cut about client-side software. It seems to
>> fall into the nebulous area between (paraphrased): JDBC connectivity is not
>> covered under the non-licensed agreement, and the unexplained part about
>> SQL Net, like TOAD uses. And since most (all?) database licenses also
>> require named user licenses or x amount of user licenses, does mean those
>> individuals are covered under the vague concept of "connecting to the
>> database" with SQL Net? And the license states it is free to utilize to
>> connect to the Oracle database (or other oracle software), but if in the
>> future I move my databases into the cloud (Amazon's or Oracle), and keep my
>> Tomcat (java-based) web server locally, do I then need to pay the $2.50 for
>> a java license on the server, which no longer hosts Oracle? Or is it still
>> covered since I use that to connect to Oracle?
>>
>> I asked these questions in a couple other places, but no answers or
>> clarification as of yet.In this area, Oracle is about as effective as by
>> doctors are in getting back to me with the results of my biopsy. Took
>> almost 4 weeks to find out the lab results didn't match what they were
>> seeing on the CT Scan, so now I need another three weeks for surgery to
>> remove one of the masses, then who knows how to wait for the results of
>> that lab testing.
>>
>> But in the meantime, here's a couple things I found during my searches:
>>
>> One source (
>> https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/overview/faqs-jsp-136696.html)
>> says :
>> Is Java still free?
>>
>> The current version of Java - Java SE 11 is available from Oracle under
>> an open source license at http://jdk.java.net/11/
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__jdk.java.net_11&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=N2hWu5HFsaIjmMkjQbnlokJ7uinNZMgPVk8rqPT9esM&m=F5rKR6YzTuWcukgiHc7y69IscC0gZG5IiEdxIl1sYZQ&s=Feq2-FA1sm5IsScZsbQ-Bb4ppTJfF_oUv8oxTDpXBZ4&e=>.
>> Java SE 8 remains free of charge for general purpose desktop and server use
>> and is available under the Oracle Binary Code License (BCL) at
>> https://www.oracle.com/javadownload.
>>
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>> Another page (
>> https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaseproducts/overview/javasesubscriptionfaq-4891443.html)
>> at the bottom, clearly states:
>>
>>
>>
>> *If I use another Oracle product that relies on the Oracle Java SE
>> runtime, how will a Java SE Subscription affect me?*
>> If you use any Oracle product that requires Java SE, you are already
>> licensed to use the Oracle Java SE runtime with, and for the sole purpose
>> of running, that Oracle product. Java SE Subscription provides licensing
>> and support if you need to use the Oracle Java SE runtime for running
>> products not licensed by Oracle. For more information see My.Oracle.Support
>> Note 1557737.1
>> <https://support.oracle.com/epmos/faces/DocumentDisplay?_afrLoop=375227495255176&id=1557737.1> -
>> (Support Entitlement for Java SE When Used As Part of Another Oracle
>> Product – Requires Support Login).
>>
>>
>> https://java.com/en/download/faq/distribution.xml
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__java.com_en_download_faq_distribution.xml&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=N2hWu5HFsaIjmMkjQbnlokJ7uinNZMgPVk8rqPT9esM&m=F5rKR6YzTuWcukgiHc7y69IscC0gZG5IiEdxIl1sYZQ&s=NqW8AXcXtgzVbE0ABcOwj2RDXAr-fxkQ3MR2Wms9kpA&e=>
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>> https://community.oracle.com/community/groundbreakers/java/java_desktop/java_runtime_environment
>>
>> Hopefully we can get somebody from Oracle to make an official statement
>> on a public site clarifying these (and I'm sure other) points.
>>
>> Bill Ferguson
>>
>>
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>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 12:28 PM Jeffrey Beckstrom <jbeckstrom_at_gcrta.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> With all Oracle now charging for updates to Java SE, is using Java
>> JRE still free or do you need to license that as well? Is only JDK being
>> charged for?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey Beckstrom
>> Lead Database Administrator
>>
>> Information Technology Department
>>
>> Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority
>>
>> 1240 W. 6th Street
>> Cleveland, Ohio 44113
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>> --
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>> -- Bill Ferguson
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