Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question

Wait did I miss some news update? Are you saying that there is currently not a development team for Enterprise Manager? I use EM Cloud Control 13c for my on-prem databases.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:51 AM Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I recall Larry responding to an audience question several OOW's ago: "Are
> you planning to buy the San Francisco 49ers (US football team)?" Larry
> paused, leaned forward to the microphone, and responded, "In order to be
> buyer, there has to be a seller".
>
> In order for there to be a new release, there has to be a development team.
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> On 11/14/18 08:32, niall.litchfield_at_gmail.com wrote:
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> There was a new release in July this year!
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> I get that the positioning from Oracle is unclear, but that seems a
> stretch, especially as there's no sign of the management cloud acquiring
> complete db management capabilities on-premises for example
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> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 3:30 PM Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Courtney,
>>
>> Thank you so much for your carefully written response, but the statement
>> "EM is not going anywhere" has many facets.
>>
>> I think what is being asked (and to which we accept that you cannot and
>> should not respond in this forum) is that nobody should be expecting future
>> releases of EM.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Tim
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>>
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>> On 11/14/18 06:55, Courtney Llamas wrote:
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>> Pete stop spreading vicious rumors ;) EM is not going anywhere, just
>> not the focus for Cloud deployments. Folks with on-premises db’s can use
>> either OEM or OMC, or a combination of the two.
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>> Send me the SR and I’ll have someone look into it ;)
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>>
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>> *From:* Chris Stephens <cstephens16_at_gmail.com> <cstephens16_at_gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:50 AM
>> *To:* peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au
>> *Cc:* Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com> <tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com>; oracle-l
>> <oracle-l_at_freelists.org> <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
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>> this is the second oracle-l thread where the future of EM has been
>> questioned. is the product going away in the future? will it be replaced by
>> something else for shops that run their own databases?
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>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 6:03 PM <peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au> wrote:
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>> Looking at other options is not on the table, Tim.
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>> I make no comment about EOL for EM. :(
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>>
>> Pete
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> *From:*
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>> tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com
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>> *To:*
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>> <peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au>, <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
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>> *Cc:*
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>> *Sent:*
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>> Tue, 13 Nov 2018 15:56:05 -0800
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>> *Subject:*
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>> Re: Enterprise Manager Application Data Modelling question
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>> In the end, all products are EOL, but some are closer to EOL than others.
>>
>> With masking options from Informatica, IBM, Delphix, Red Gate, Dataveil,
>> and others to choose from, each of which mask data across most all
>> relational database platforms, as well as documents, it seems short-sighted
>> to invest licensing money, time, and effort on masking one island of
>> information within Oracle one way, and masking all other database platforms
>> using other methods. Because all confidential data in non-prod needs to be
>> masked, not just Oracle.
>>
>> Full disclosure: I work for Delphix, and we do data masking at-rest
>> across almost all databases and documents, including mainframe.
>>
>> In the past 4+ years, I have only once come up against data masking using
>> the Oracle EM pack. This company disliked their experiences masking with
>> the Oracle pack because it generated complex SQL and PL/SQL to perform the
>> masking within the database engine. Masking algorithms are computationally
>> intensive (i.e. encryption, hashing, list-processing, etc) and thus
>> difficult to optimize in generated SQL and PL/SQL, performing poorly as
>> they chew up CPU expensively licensed for database. When you charge as
>> much as Oracle does based on CPU, you don't want that CPU doing anything
>> but database workload.
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>> By contrast, each and all of the other data masking packages retrieve
>> arrays of rows to an appserver, mask them in the appserver (typically a
>> generic Linux server), then either insert them forward or update them back
>> using ROWID, less reliance on the Oracle optimizer, and employing less
>> expensive CPU for the computationally-intense masking workload, conserving
>> the expensive database licensed CPUs for database workload.
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>> So when your customers regroup to mask across the enterprise instead of
>> an island of Oracle, any of these masking vendors will be happy to solve
>> that. Especially down under, on that super big island y'all have... :)
>>
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>> On 11/13/18 14:36, peter.sharman_at_westnet.com.au wrote:
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>> Yes, I know, it’s unlike me to be asking a question on EM instead of
>> answering one. 😊
>>
>> This is one I’ve never seen before. I’ve been setting up Data Masking
>> for a customer and we have a couple of different ADMs. Previously, the
>> Referential Relationships screen showed no records, as the referential
>> integrity is not defined in the database (not ideal, but that's how it
>> is). But now the screen is completely blank - no buttons, no screen saying
>> no records found, nothing. Anyone seen anything like that before?
>> Restarting the OMS didn't have any impact. Logged an SR, but no response
>> on it yet and the customer really wants to see some progress so trying all
>> avenues to move this forward.
>>
>> EM 13.2 vanilla.
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>> Thanks
>>
>> Pete
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