Re: Oracle licensing with disk replication

From: Iggy Fernandez <iggy_fernandez_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 16:07:27 +0000
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It would therefore seem that Oracle is the most generous since all the contracts say is "processors where the software is installed and/or running"

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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> on behalf of dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 6:04 AM To: daniel.hubler_at_aurora.org; oracle-l_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: Oracle licensing with disk replication

Yes other vendors such as Microsoft act the same, once work besides patching is done to it, specifically synchronization. They even have if you had a cold server on the remote site and flipped your primary server license to it, you cannot move that license back to PROD for 90 days.

IBM does the same. They consider mirroring to be doing work and therefore requiring licensing Entitlements for the remote server.

From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> On Behalf Of Hubler, Daniel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:49 AM To: 'oracle-l_at_freelists.org' <oracle-l_at_freelists.org> Subject: FW: Oracle licensing with disk replication

I do not think I asked my question very well. . . . . . .

My real question is: Is it only ORACLE who is being such. . . . sticklers?

Our contracts folks are suggesting that no other vendor. . . . with all the software that is being replicated. . . . is behaving like this.

?????

From: dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net<mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> [mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:34 AM To: l.flatz_at_bluewin.ch<mailto:l.flatz_at_bluewin.ch>; Hubler, Daniel Cc: oracle-l_at_freelists.org<mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org> Subject: RE: Oracle licensing with disk replication

Been there done that.

Oracle licensing has got to the point of actual number of copies of the software is what you must pay for, yes the same applies to SQL Server.

One of oracle’s older documents on DR style setups give some leeway for a clustered environment with single SAN and ff it is simply a remote mirror or copy then it must be licensed. Also note the fine print that this is only relative to the time the document was produced and cannot be put in any contract. (March 20,2014)

https://www.oracle.com/assets/data-recovery-licensing-070587.pdf<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__www.oracle.com_assets_data-2Drecovery-2Dlicensing-2D070587.pdf%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DFdThBvJHxSAZ8-R9NIS_sODV3ezb9Po6yjZ5Lt_XtNs%26r%3DYSSKXQ0_Lrv3cQCUPgcr3rnHB3G_K3yVFuEU4i6dvBI%26m%3DJxsFzG5H_nH0FVGUxZVT-flQt_EMoAwDxnpHhLEVCoE%26s%3DTLbTvTX9hg6ClnLtPiqAkEtm5Wps95bGPCCh4KNMTT4%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C07ec34c3bed04205b8c308d6497155aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636777148463539897&sdata=DhLROuiankThAhWW5RmMkO0Sa199ogfXjMSP%2FcVDTWs%3D&reserved=0>

I have not been able to find an updated version of this document.

From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org<mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org<mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>> On Behalf Of l.flatz_at_bluewin.ch<mailto:l.flatz_at_bluewin.ch> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:29 AM To: daniel.hubler_at_aurora.org<mailto:daniel.hubler_at_aurora.org> Cc: oracle-l_at_freelists.org<mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org> Subject: Re: Oracle licensing with disk replication

Hi,

I strongly suggest you to get support from an independend Oracle licensing specialist. That seems to be a marignal case.

My own licensing knowledge is sketchy. From what I know it would be important if you have active databases running on your secondary site and if yes how often they run and for how long.

I would sign that Oracle licencing is tough, but from what I heared Microsoft is not better.

Without help of an specialist that is like going to court without a lawyer.

Regards

Lothar

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Von : daniel.hubler_at_aurora.org<mailto:daniel.hubler_at_aurora.org> Datum : 12/11/2018 - 22:00 (MN)
An : oracle-l_at_freelists.org<mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org> Betreff : Oracle licensing with disk replication

We started work on a 2nd data center 2 years ago, and the equipment to make it functional is starting to come together.

One of the things that is happening is using Hitachi storage and replicating everything in the primary data center

to the secondary.

So we end up with a bunch of storage frames at the 2nd location containing exact copies of the disk at our primary location.

The folks who manage our contracts are telling us that Oracle corp. is being a pain,

and demanding compensation for these replicated copies of their software, which basically sit idle.

Personally, I can see how Oracle would want a piece of this, because we do derive benefit from it.

The contract folks are suggesting that ONLY Oracle corp. is behaving this way.

None of our other vendors.

Does this jive with other people’s experience?

Thanks for your input.

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