Re: RE: Oracle licensing with disk replication
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 16:04:53 +0000
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I can also recommend Redwood Compliance who have also written several licensing articles for the NoCOUG Journal
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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org> on behalf of post.ethan_at_gmail.com <post.ethan_at_gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:18 AM To: l.flatz_at_bluewin.ch; dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net Cc: oracle-l_at_freelists.org; daniel.hubler_at_aurora.org Subject: RE: RE: Oracle licensing with disk replication
(Some of this already stated…)
Having watched a few of the webinars from the licensing experts the suggested route if you want to argue this is this. You state that you want to do whatever the contract requires and you will wait for Oracle legal dept. to contact your legal dept. and you will do whatever is in the contract. Don’t get any other groups involved, all legal to legal and hopefully you have some tough lawyers on your team. It is good at this point to ensure your legal dept. has some understanding of the terms of the contract and what they mean. If you are talking big $$ hire one of the Oracle licensing consulting companies. House of brick is one, there is another but can’t think of the name right now.
On another note. Having just finished some training related to startups and pricing there is a reality here that falls on “us” in regards to pricing. Enterprise sales has traditionally been very hard and very expensive. If corporate IT departments take 6-12 months (or 2 years) to make decisions and move forward with purchase decisions that will ultimately be factored into the price of a product. Somebody has to pay for those sales teams. (Level of support expected also factors in and corps expect a lot usually). A lot of the “new” vendors are leveraging much lighter sales/support channels and can afford to be more competitive. Oracle needs to pivot here and my own opinion is that won’t happen until L.E. is gone.
Licensing is always a fun conversation. I know of a company that recently forked over more 1+ million because of VM issues and they probably could have avoided it had they hired some experts here.
One guess is they will come at you with hey you now owe us X million but for a X/2 you can buy a site license and never have to worry about these things again.
I would be careful about publishing any details about your config and company you work for here or on any public forum. You may be in compliance but even a misunderstanding on the part of the right reader could end up with a sudden inquiry from a sales rep.
Thanks,
Ethan
arclogicsoftware.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ethanraypost/
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Subject: Re: RE: Oracle licensing with disk replication
In one sentence: All big vendors are greedy.
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Yes other vendors such as Microsoft act the same, once work besides patching is done to it, specifically synchronization. They even have if you had a cold server on the remote site and flipped your primary server license to it, you cannot move that license back to PROD for 90 days.
IBM does the same. They consider mirroring to be doing work and therefore requiring licensing Entitlements for the remote server.
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