Re: dba mentor

HI Chris, I do agree with you. I have seen a lot of people outside my company move to gain experience. I know I will probably never learn RAC, or use an Exadata machine, or cloud, but I work for an amazing company that treats us very well. And they allow me to advance the technology forward as much as makes sense and I can prove is worth while. I've been able to take the database from 9i on AIX to 10g on Windows (against my recommendation) to 11g, and now 12c on Oracle Linux. Familar with Tuining implemneted OEM 11g to 13c, ASO, GoldenGate, Dataguard, Database Vault and a lot of pl/sql programming experince. All with very little consultant help. So I guess I can't complain to much, at least with the tech side.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:41 AM Chris Taylor < christopherdtaylor1994_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I will say this:
>
> If you goal is something along the lines of: "I want to be an expert in
> the Oracle database world" (where expert means knowing more than 90% of
> most DBAS)
>
> Then don't stay in company "too long". That is, if your company isn't
> constantly running new versions of Oracle, doing new things with Oracle,
> then find a new job, a new gig with a new company. My longest stint has
> been 6 years with a company and it was almost a mistake as I had gotten
> behind/stale.
>
> Since then these are the things I've learned by moving around (newest
> experience first):
>
> - Exadata Cloud at Customer (newbie)
> - Oracle GoldenGate (intermediate - was 0 before this company)
> - 12c (12c RAC, multi-tenant,other new features/capabilities - was 0
> before this company)
> - Dataguard interface cli (was 0)
> - OEM 13C
> - OEM 12c (and emcli - fantastic tool)
> - 11g RAC
> - 11g new features/capabilities
> - 10g RAC
> - 10g new features/capabilities
> etc
>
> If you're not "married" to your current company and skills matter, then
> seriously consider changing companies regularly. Of course, if upward
> mobility is more important, then you stay. All depends on your vision for
> your future and whether you want to be highly technical focused, or more
> managerial/lead.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:07 AM Jeff Chirco <backseatdba_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for their responses. Oracle-L has been valuable, I read a
>> lot on here and post only occasionally. I will try to post more. Chris I
>> agree with your list. Twitter has been great to follow certain people in
>> the community and finding their blogs or others that they retweet about.
>> I've been to Collaborate a few times but sometimes that is just too big.
>> Local conferences and Oracle users groups have disappeared in Southern
>> California unfortunately.
>> Seems like it might be common for DBA's to be thrown in with no one to
>> look up to for help. Sounds like I just need to more of what I am doing and
>> ask more questions.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 8:49 AM Chris Taylor <
>> christopherdtaylor1994_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll chime in here as well.
>>>
>>> Ask TONS of questions. Always be asking questions. Oracle-L is a
>>> god-send in some ways because it's fairly tight-knit and respectful of
>>> others - even if the questions seem "simple". If you have a question ask
>>> it. Or send someone an email off list asking follow-up questions about
>>> something you're interested in being discussed if you don't feel
>>> comfortable replying to the whole list.
>>>
>>> I think the fact you're on Oracle-L shows an immense level of capability
>>> by just being involved here. Below are some recommendations and places
>>> where I go for 'mentoring' today:
>>>
>>> - Oracle-L
>>> - Reddit
>>> - Twitter (individuals and then read subjects they write about if they
>>> blog)
>>> - Youtube (to some degree - hit or miss)
>>> - Oracle Communities (RARELY use because it can be toxic)
>>> - GOOGLE (lots of Google)
>>> - DBI Blogs (Franck Pachot though he recently left DBI I believe)
>>> - Community DBAs (if you're near a local user group: check here:
>>> https://community.oracle.com/community/usergroups and
>>> http://www.ioug.org/rugs)
>>> - Goto Conferences (specifically IOUG, RMOUG and other USER group
>>> conferences in place of OpenWorld etc)
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:34 AM Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was a PRO*C/OCI, PL/SQL, and SQL developer (i.e. SQL*Forms, etc)
>>>> working for Oracle consulting when my customer fired their entire IT
>>>> department in one day. This all happened immediately after the events
>>>> chronicled in my chapter in "Tales Of The Oak Table: Oracle Insights
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Oracle-Insights-Tales-Oak-Table/dp/1590593871>",
>>>> which is reprinted (with permission from Apress) online HERE
>>>> <https://www.red-gate.com/simple-talk/opinion/opinion-pieces/bad-carma/>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> I was moved into the role of DBA, and that very first day, the
>>>> production database started crashing, and I brought it back up twice. The
>>>> third time it crashed, it stayed down because of media failure. I had to
>>>> call Iron Mountain to retrieve the backup tapes, and when they returned the
>>>> lockboxes, nobody could find the key, so I had to jimmy the boxes open with
>>>> a hammer and screwdriver. We restored production, but were unable to roll
>>>> forward to the point-in-time of failure due to a missing archived log
>>>> file. After production was back up and running, we ran out of space and I
>>>> discovered that we were almost completely out of disk, so I unmirrored all
>>>> of the raw logical volumes underlying the index tablespaces in order to
>>>> create new logical volumes, mirrored to table tablespaces and unmirrored
>>>> for index tablespaces. Then I went home to sleep. I was the DBA for 10
>>>> months until the company completed the process of migrating their
>>>> mission-critical application from the custom-built Oracle-based application
>>>> (i.e. VISION from the book chapter) to a much-older RMS-based VT100
>>>> application on VMS. At one point, the previous DBA returned to visit
>>>> colleagues, and when he heard that I had brought the database back online 3
>>>> times my first day, ending with an incomplete recovery, he called me an
>>>> idiot because "he should have left it down after the first crash and gotten
>>>> those disks fixed", an assessment with which I cannot argue. As an Oracle
>>>> employee, I had the resources of my colleagues and the company, including
>>>> an internal email list called HELPKERN. I met people on HELPKERN with whom
>>>> I am still in contact today, and it was because of HELPKERN that I joined
>>>> ORACLE-L when I left Oracle in 1998.
>>>>
>>>> The collective expertise on HELPKERN and then ORACLE-L has been my
>>>> mentor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/22/18 06:33, Sheehan, Jeremy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I went from Super PC Technician to Junior DBA at my previous company. I
>>>> had a mentor for about 6 months then he jumped ship at the first sign of
>>>> trouble in the company. That left me to fend for myself for about 2 years.
>>>> I learned a little from him, but most of what I learned I had to learn
>>>> myself. Fortunately, I moved companies and was placed on a team where I had
>>>> a number of people that I could ask questions, but never got any real kind
>>>> of mentoring. I’ve got 10+ years of experience now, but still feel kind of
>>>> shaky on certain topics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> *Subject:* dba mentor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did any of you have a mentor to help you along your DBA career path?
>>>> Someone to coach you on what is right/wrong, offer advice for various
>>>> projects, etc… I was the first DBA for my company and never had someone to
>>>> go to for advice and such. I learned completely on the job besides going
>>>> to some classes at the beginning and a couple conferences recently. And
>>>> then some consultants over the years. I’ve always reported to a
>>>> Programming manager, and they understand some of the job but not everything
>>>> that needs to be done. Although I have been a DBA for over 10 years I feel
>>>> there is still a ton for me to learn and be better at. I was alone for many
>>>> years and did a lot of database development in addition to DBA duties. Kind
>>>> of a jack of all trades expert at none. I am a lead now, we have one other
>>>> DBA and maybe a third in the near future, but I know I can be a better
>>>> leader and hope to advance that further.
>>>>
>>>> Did any of you have some kind of mentor during your career? For most
>>>> of you it probably was someone inside the company but what about outside?
>>>> How did you find this person and was it helpful? What did they do for you?
>>>>
>>>> Another other details or advice?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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