RE: Configuration management / Puppet for Oracle DBA'ing
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 12:39:20 -0700
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Subject: Re: Configuration management / Puppet for Oracle DBA'ing
as appealing as ansible sounds (at least to investigate), i think i'll run with puppet for now since I'm new here and it's what everyone uses. thanks for all the input!
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:07 PM Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net <mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> > wrote:
Sounds like your other team really didn’t understand Oracle or puppet either very well.
Automated delivery of Oracle is doable with either tool but they both take some work.
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Subject: RE: Configuration management / Puppet for Oracle DBA'ing
Unfortunately I don’t really know how they set up the puppet installs. That was a different department though one of our DBAs worked with them on the initial setup. I would just get the box handed over to me and spend a while figuring out whether everything was present and, if not, at what point it failed. No consistency in where it failed either.
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Subject: RE: Configuration management / Puppet for Oracle DBA'ing
Yes we use Biemond’s oradb module as a base and have extended with a matching custom module to use the building block components within the oradb module.
Deep end of the pool, is the simply complexity of the Oracle Patching methodology especially the newer RU/RUR and rollback methods. You are dependent upon testing the Oracle tools which fail for a variety of reasons on their own because someone did something to the environment. Once you are under automation control then life becomes easier as long as everyone is working together. The testing and bringing your environment under control is what makes puppet not fail.
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Subject: Re: Configuration management / Puppet for Oracle DBA'ing
care to expand on "deep end of the pool"?
do you use custom modules or the one i linked to in original post or another module?
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 9:52 AM Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net <mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net> > wrote:
I do puppet coding for a variety of clients for delivery of Oracle products.
We have had none of the failures in delivering Oracle with puppet that Jay spoke of.
Both Puppet and Ansible are viable tools for delivering Oracle. However you deliver Oracle for all possibilities you are stepping int othe deep end of the pool, not because of the tools, but because of Oracle itself.
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Subject: Re: Configuration management / Puppet for Oracle DBA'ing
I'm a big fan of Ansible. I've used it on many projects Oracle related. It is very extensible and fairly easy to pick up, and since the Red Hat acquisition, it's feature development has really taken off. Take a look at Ansible Tower to see what I mean.
Seth
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:51 AM Chris Stephens <cstephens16_at_gmail.com <mailto:cstephens16_at_gmail.com> > wrote:
that's interesting. thanks for input.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:49 AM <Jay.Miller_at_tdameritrade.com <mailto:Jay.Miller_at_tdameritrade.com> > wrote:
We’re abandoning Puppet for our database installs and patching and are currently investigating Ansible. We generally had about a 25% failure rate with our database installs running the exact same process each time.
It might be that the people in charge of Puppet here just weren’t good enough at it but we ended up doing a lot of manual installs after Puppet failures. It seems to work well for most non-database related tasks.
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Subject: Configuration management / Puppet for Oracle DBA'ing
The system administration folks here are big fans of Puppet. After deciding to take it seriously and reading a bit about it (yes, I'm behind the times), the advantages are clear and Puppet or some other configuration management software should probably be in the mix for any well managed database environment. Ansible seems to be picking up steam in Oracle-land. At least that's true for my twitter feed and rss subscriptions. Is anyone else out there using Puppet to perform DBA related tasks? If so, do you have any pointers on where to start? Is there any reason to avoid Puppet and choose another technology? There is a free module on Puppet Forge at https://forge.puppet.com/biemond/oradb <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forge.puppet.com_biemond_oradb&d=DwMFaQ&c=nulvIAQnC0yOOjC0e0NVa8TOcyq9jNhjZ156R-JJU10&r=aiKV3Uv2Wo7GqYQcis9TSvB1MZslPOnintrOY1rjG58&m=v5X_cfi1DxSHdWKUTREB24ny4NEojcIiGAbTZDYlMQc&s=cMPGqyKZ9W0TiB4mNEpAyCrA9EnTidYj4M8kUrQSfqU&e=> . Does anyone have any experience with that?
Thanks in advance for any input.
Chris
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