From: Mladen Gogala <>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 19:34:35 -0400
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On 03/15/2018 10:56 AM, Tim Gorman wrote:
> >> So, of course, I ask /Oracle/ people about it. :)
> This thread is a good argument for expanding ORACLE-L to DATABASE-L.

My vote for this is yes, thumbs up.

> There is a vibrant technical community in SQL Server and it is long
> past time that these communities cross-pollinated better.
> As this thread shows, it isn't that one or the other DBMS is better,
> but they can be different in subtle ways which can trip up even the
> most experienced of us.
> And, as this thread shows, many of us are tasked with administering
> both DBMS packages, in addition to PostgreSQL and MySQL.
> I'm proud to cite my wife, Kellyn <>, as an
> example of this breed of renaissance geek, as she is currently
> president of both the Rocky Mountain Oracle Users Group
> <> and of the Denver SQL Server users group
> <>, and she is likely soon to become the first
> person in the world to achieve both Oracle ACE Director (now alumnae)
> and Microsoft MVP recognition.

Congrats to Kellyn. That is a really remarkable achievement.

> One noticeable difference between the two communities is age.  On
> average, Kellyn and I find attendees at SQL Server users group events
> to be about 10 years younger than Oracle users group events, based on
> unscientific eyeball observation.

That is because of the healthy Rocky Mountains environment. Oracle people usually live in unhealthy environments on the coasts, where they have earthquakes, fires, droughts or nor'easterners. In CO, seeing another car on the road is considered a traffic jam. Healthy mountain air makes SQL Server folks look younger in such environments.

> Also, the SQL Server users group community has a much larger
> percentage of women attendees and speakers (i.e. about 40% for SQL to
> about 20% for Oracle).

Now, don't tell THAT to my wife.

> As a result, while the ORACLE-L list has been yakking along happily
> here on email for the past 20 years, the SQL Server community has been
> largely conversing on Twitter.  Both communities blog at about the
> same rate and volume (in my opinion), and both communities seem to use
> LinkedIn to the same degree (in my opinion).  So, the biggest
> difference in online communication style seems to be email vs tweets.

Well, after seeing some recent events, I'm not coming near Twitter or Facebook.  Email is, like an old time religion, good enough for me. Email definitely wins bigly.

> So, if we were to go through the effort of changing from ORACLE-L to
> DATABASE-L (leaving aliases from ORACLE-L to point to DATABASE-L so
> folks can still find us), we would find adoption by the SQL Server
> community to be slow, because they would have a struggle paying
> attention to, and responding to, a high-volume email list.  There are
> undoubtedly good ways to integrate email and Twitter, and I'm sure
> they can be quite seamless, but the first question is:  what do y'all
> think?

I am for it.

> How do you personally feel about discussing and learning about SQL
> Server as well as Oracle?  Would it enhance your prospects?

It would be very practical to be able to ask questions about all databases in one place.

Mladen Gogala
Database Consultant
Tel: (347) 321-1217

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