Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS

From: Lothar Flatz <l.flatz_at_bluewin.ch>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:28:40 +0100
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well, I wonder if Oracle doesn't need to retrain support engineers

On 25.01.2018 16:23, Matthew Parker wrote:
>
> Using OVM is why it is supported by Oracle support without question in
> the IBM cloud.
>
> I just performed a gig this month for a client in the IBM cloud and
> there is no pushback from Oracle support about the setup or RAC,
> because it is OVM.
>
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> *From:*Hameed, Amir [mailto:Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:17 AM
> *To:* Stefan Knecht <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>;
> gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> *Subject:* RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> I don’t have all the details that were discussed with IBM. However,
> what I do know is that we were assured by IBM that we could bring our
> database and RAC licenses to their cloud and they would manage them
> using OVMs. However, unless the vendor (Oracle) supports this setup
> why would anyone make a move knowing that if they hit a bug, they
> would not get direct support from Oracle.
>
> *From:*Stefan Knecht [mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:05 AM
> *To:* Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com <mailto:Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com>>
> *Cc:* Matthew Parker <dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net
> <mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com
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> *Subject:* Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> Is it IBM that would "support" the environment, or Oracle?
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com
> <mailto:Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com>> wrote:
>
> But your statement negates what Stefan had initially posted,
> doesn’t it?
>
> "The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering certified
> and supported to run Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC)
> databases."
>
> *From:*Matthew Parker [mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net
> <mailto:dimensional.dba_at_comcast.net>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:38 AM
> *To:* Hameed, Amir <Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com
> <mailto:Amir.Hameed_at_xerox.com>>; gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com
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> *Subject:* RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> IBM runs the instances on UEL OVM which is supported.
>
> *Matthew Parker*
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> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Hameed, Amir
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:32 AM
> *To:* gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com <mailto:gerald.venzl_at_oracle.com>;
> knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>;
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> *Subject:* RE: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> Our data center is exploring IBM’s IaaS as an option to host
> infrastructure. IBM has told them that they are a Platinum partner
> of Oracle and that they would support our RAC environments
> deployed on Oracle’s VMs on LINUX. So, if a software product, RAC
> in this case, is not certified by Oracle to run on third-party
> clouds then how are these vendors making these claims openly?
>
> Thanks
>
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> [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Gerald Venzl
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:18 AM
> *To:* knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>;
> oracle-l_at_freelists.org <mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> *Subject:* Re: The cost of Oracle in AWS
>
> Certified is an understatement in this case.
>
> It’s not supported at all on Azure, full stop:
>
> /4) Apart from licensing, can RAC be supported on Third-Party Clouds?/
>
> /Answer: As the licensing restriction documented above currently
> restricts the use of Oracle RAC in either Amazon’s AWS or
> Microsoft Windows Azure or any other ThirdParty Cloud for this
> matter, Oracle has ceased any supportability evaluation of
> ThirdParty Clouds for Oracle RAC in general. That said, the lack
> of natively provided shared storage in addition to certain network
> restrictions that would need to be worked around on most
> Third-Party Clouds currently prevent Oracle from supporting any
> Third-Party Cloud for Oracle RAC presently and regardless of
> technical feasibility. /
>
> Thx,
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> On Jan 25, 2018, at 06:09, Stefan Knecht
> <knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com <mailto:knecht.stefan_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> One thing not to be disregarded is the usual implication of
> running RAC on any non-Oracle virtualized platform is that
> it's not officially certified by Oracle. Depending on your
> client, that may be the end of discussion right there and then.
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/database/options/clustering/overview/rac-cloud-support-2843861.pdf
>
> "The Oracle Cloud is currently the only cloud offering
> certified and supported to run Oracle Real Application
> Clusters (RAC) databases."
>
> Stefan
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