RE: Oracle to Postgres training at PGConf US

Absolutely true

But I believe Tim's point is that in addition you are telling everyone else also not to go to Kid rock's (or Toby Keith's) concert because you think it will be useless to them. :)

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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Mladen Gogala Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:36 PM
To: Tim Gorman
Cc: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: Re: Oracle to Postgres training at PGConf US

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:36:29 -0600
Tim Gorman <tim.evdbt_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> You can't judge a conference unless you have experienced it, so your
> opinion that "it is not a decent conference" has no substance and thus
> is irrelevant.

Not quite true. I have experienced conferences like it, I have even hosted one. That gives me the right to judge. In principle, it is true, it is not possible to accurately judge an event before experiencing it, but I don't have to be at the concert of Toby Keith or Kid Rock to know that they are not playing my kind of music.

>
> Comparing advanced features between an open-source project and its
> commercial competitors makes as much sense as comparing licensing
> costs. It all depends on your requirements.

That is not quite true. We are talking about the software from the same category: relational databases. All relational databases are expected to have certain set of features, in addition to supporting SQL. There is also such a thing as an attitude of the developer community, which is one of the problems with PostgreSQL. We've had one of the very respected members of the PostgreSQL community, Joshua Drake, come to oracle-l and tell us that "hints are optimizer bugs". Quite a brazen statement, if you consider the fact that most of the people on this list know and use hints for quite some time. As a long term Oracle person, I know you've used hints many times, you're an expert on hints, among other things. Do you agree with that statement? I certainly do not, I consider it silly. Would you really want to attend a conference organized mostly by the people who agree with Josh Drake on that silly statement? The funny thing with that statement is that PostgreSQL now does have Oracle style hints, but the old Stonebraker school doesn't give in so easily.

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