RE: Clone tool
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 06:25:07 -0400
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I’m thoroughly enjoying this entire thread.
Having product experts walk us through the nuances of capabilities is very useful indeed to consultants as well as to single employer workers. Knowing all this stuff is essential to what we used to call a “gap analysis” where you define what you need to do and then seek products that come closest to fitting the bill of requirements within the budget including an allowance for building widgets to fill in the “gaps.”
Laying that across the matrix of in house skill sets and evaluating the long term daily operational relative complexity and the occasional costs (or savings) to process patch and upgrade cycles can produce very different “best fit” recommendations at different companies.
As for the self service kerfluffle: If you can define the part of the playground someone is allowed to play in and put up a screen so they don’t kill someone outside the playground with a foul ball, then “good” and the system, storage, and database administrators will be content. If that someone can play into someone else’s reserved field (including a field where they are growing the grass for something else, so you’re supposed to keep off the grass) or can kill an innocent bystander with a foul ball, no one will be content.
Damn, I can’t think of a good playground safety metaphor for the effects on “everyone’s” network bandwidth if folks can use such tools at will. But that is an issue as well that must be addressed in configuring the infrastructure. Anyway “plays nice with others” comes into the self service analysis somewhere.
I’m quite confident Mr. Bobak will step in with a polite cautionary note if product descriptions and comparisons develop into excessive noise for the value of the signal. Thus far this particular consultant’s view is that the thread has been enlightening and that folks have been “playing nice with others” in a way quite different from what happens in a competitive sales pitch.
As for whether Ram is a consultant I’m not inclined to care unless he has a possible conflict to announce regarding any advice he gives here.
mwf
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To: Ram; tim_at_evdbt.com
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Subject: Re: Clone tool
Doing POC? Are you a consultant?
On 4/25/2016 8:41 PM, Ram wrote:
My personal opinion having used both CommVault and Delphix, Delphix is way too easy to setup and use, especially when you want to make multiple copies for testing etc. I have used Delphix coupled with Real Application Testing very successfully during a POC I did in the past. Though we used CommVault simpana for backups, our whole cloning process for lower environment would have been a lot more simpler with Delphix.
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On Apr 25, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Tim Gorman <tim_at_evdbt.com> wrote:
Aren't you glad I put it into extremely simplistic terms, almost to the point of silliness?
Your welcome.
On 4/25/16 18:19, Mladen Gogala wrote:
Yes, Commvault can support that requirement. Commvault has a very elaborate privilege system and can create users with or without "clone" capability, which may be able to run the refresh job or may not. Regards,
On 4/25/2016 8:16 PM, Tim Gorman wrote:
Suppose someone wants one user to be able to create a database clone (and do everything else to manage it), and then they want another user to be able only to manage a clone (i.e. refresh, rewind, etc), but not be able to create a clone?
Can CommVault support that requirement? If so, how?
On 4/25/16 17:49, Mladen Gogala wrote:
The term "self-service" is a marketing term without much meaning, if any at all. With Commvault, anyone can clone the database, given the appropriate privileges. Privileges can be assigned by the Commvault administrator. Even at a gas station you need a credit card for "self service". Having a credit card is a privilege and very far from being universal, at that. Also, I am not sure that the original topic included marketing of the products and doing feature by feature comparison. In my opinion, that part is not appropriate for this group. I also try not to push the products of my employer through this list. Refraining from marketing avoids awkward situations like this one. After all, I am a computer geek, not a sales person.
On 4/25/2016 9:36 AM, Tim Gorman wrote:
Steve Karam, Kyle Hailey, and I are contributors to this list who are also employees of Delphix.
Back to the original topic, would you explain what "self-service capability" means?
On 4/25/16 05:51, Mladen Gogala wrote:
On 04/24/2016 11:18 PM, Tim Gorman wrote:
Assuming a definition of "self-service capability" as "management of a separation of duties", that sounds like a "no" for CommVault.
Only if you are adopting extremely simplistic interpretation, to the point of silliness.
In contrast, Oracle Snapclone provides self-service provisioning through a service catalog of templates <http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/oem/cloud-mgmt/em-snapclone-2267372.html> , and different accounts have a separation of duties (i.e. some accounts can create templates, other accounts can only clone from templates, etc), but there are others on this list who can explain this much more capably than I.
As far as Delphix is concerned, its main user-interface enables DBAs to do everything, but the Delphix JetStream <https://docs.delphix.com/display/DOCS41/Getting+Started+with+Jet+Stream> user-interface is provided to be used by developers, QA testers, project leads, and other non-DBAs to manage what has already been provisioned.
Tim, I am a Commvault employee. Are you by any chance a Delphix reseller or are you making money by pushing Delphix? Regards
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