Re: Pure Storage opinions

From: Thomas Roach <troach_at_gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:48:05 -0400
Message-ID: <CAM6TEvJ0+dTOjL5nEVi0CoOEQsN+KSFNqcP=C4fWNfR0uBOBWA_at_mail.gmail.com>

I don't work for Delphix but I have seen it in the wild and talked to customers. Many view the thin cloning as a commodity (i.e. everyone has it). What I think sets Delphix apart is the fact that the end user can request the environment and the DBA or the storage admin don't actually have to do anything. It's empowering and users like it. Yes, it's efficient on the back end and all that but that seems to be the major reason customers like it.

Oracle has a similar capability with EM and DBLM + Clound Management Pack. It still needs to integrate with your backend storage to do the snapshots. I don't know what Commvault does.

Mladen, does Commvault have a self service capability? Would be good to know.

Thanks!

Tom

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 8:40 PM, rob <rob_at_oraclewizard.com> wrote:

> I'm starting to understand this a bit more. Are you an employee of
> Commvault? I gather that from "We can also ..." I believe in full
> disclosure.
>
> Back to my humble opinion, there is nothing that I have read re: Delphix
> that would qualify as marketing.
>
> I'm on this list to find solutions to real problems and to offer advice
> where I can.
>
> So feel free to expand on your product, what sets it apart? Why would I
> implemented your product vs another? If I'm cloning a 10T database, what is
> the footprint?
>
> Have a great weekend, time for dinner
> Rob
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
> Date: 4/23/2016 8:28 PM (GMT-04:00)
> To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> Subject: Re: Pure Storage opinions
>
> Thank you Rob.
> That is precisely what I am doing. Commvault can clone databases using
> storage snapshots. We can also seed the cloud for AWS and Azure and copy
> the database to the cloud. Commvault 11, the product formerly known as
> Simpana, is a full fledged backup suite which supports snapshots and
> cloning.
> Regards
>
> On 04/23/2016 08:23 PM, rob wrote:
>
> I'm my humble opinion, if others are willing to offer information on
> cloning they are more than welcome to speak up. Otherwise if the only
> expertise on the list is Delphix than that is what we get.
>
> Might I suggest expanding you expertise to other cloning technologies and
> offering advice.
>
> Just the view from my hangar.
> -Rob
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com> <gogala.mladen_at_gmail.com>
> Date: 4/23/2016 7:57 PM (GMT-04:00)
> To: tim_at_evdbt.com, Andrew Kerber <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com>
> <andrew.kerber_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: David Green <thump_at_cosmiccooler.org> <thump_at_cosmiccooler.org>,
> oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> Subject: Re: Pure Storage opinions
>
> On 04/23/2016 06:38 PM, Tim Gorman wrote:
> > But attempting to control the conversation by labeling responses with
> > which you disagree as "marketing" (or any other pejorative) is
> > nonsense. We've all got eyes and brains and can decide that for
> > ourselves. If you disagree, then rebut with facts, not opinions.
> > Each person on the list can decide what is right, wrong, or drivel.
>
> Hi Tim,
> How many other tools were mentioned on this group, as a possible cloning
> solution? How many times was Delphix mentioned during the last few
> months? I am not attempting to control anything, I am just warning the
> readers of this group about the marketing. There is a simple truth:
> there are other solutions for cloning databases, which deserve some
> mention, with different strengths and weaknesses. Yet, for some reason,
> only Delphix is regularly offered as a cloning solution on this group.
> Regards,
>
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> Mladen Gogala
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