Re: Oracle Exadata Top Three Selling points
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:54:26 -0700
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Hi Robert,
Yes, EM covers all of it and I did do a quick search and locate the PDF that, (at least at a high level) mentions that: http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/exadata/maa-bestp/patching/patch.pdf
The EM13c has a better interface for monitoring, managing and patching Exadata, too. I covered it only briefly this week at HotSos, but I really like the enhancements that were put into this area.
Kellyn
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Robert Freeman <rfreeman_at_businessolver.com> wrote:
> Exadata patching has MUCH improved, and there were growing pains - that is
> for sure.
> I've always said - show me a data centers technology stack as currently up
> to date as an Exadata box is after a quarterly patch has been applied.
>
> Frankly, I miss working on Exadata.
>
> I liked the idea of OPlan when it came out, but I always found that some
> of the restrictions prevented me from using it.... I'm sure most of them
> are gone now.
>
> Kellyn - Does OEM now handle the whole patch (cells, switches, etc) , or
> is it still just doing the OS and Database side patching only? It's been
> almost a year now since I did my last patch.
>
> Of course the problem I had too was that I was dealing with government...
> who didn't typically want any internet connection and a OEM presence was a
> luxury... :)
>
> RF
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2016, at 3:41 PM, Kellyn Pot'Vin-Gorman <dbakevlar_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> <Visibly rolls eyes>
> "Now knows no one on Oracle-l has been coming to her EM12c and EM13c
> sessions on patching"... :)
>
> When Oracle support folks patch an Exadata, they just build and submit a
> patch plan for Exadatas these days. I remember spending my last day at a
> company back in 2010 patching an Exadata for over 13 hrs and pretty much
> sacrificing a small animal afterwards because nothing went wrong. Now
> days, it really is quite easy to run a report, see what is available for
> patching, build a patch plan from it and submit it.
>
> Thank you for giving me another topic I need to cover in blog posts... :)
> Kellyn
>
>
>
> [image: Kellyn Pot'Vin on about.me]
>
> Kellyn Pot'Vin-Gorman
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>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Chris Stephens <cstephens16_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "during my years of Exadata patching"
>>
>> that is painful to read. patching seems to be a major piece of working
>> with Exadata. that is really odd to me. if oracle controls the whole
>> stack, why can't they simplify the patching process?
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Robert Freeman <
>> rfreeman_at_businessolver.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If used properly, I think Platinum is a great resource. The quality of
>>> the technicians are sometimes of question – I agree there. However, if you
>>> don’t like the one you have, then you can always request another. I also
>>> think that the biggest problems I’ve seen were with the customers who were
>>> the most hands off. I think one place people miss out on when engaging
>>> Platinum support is by taking advantage of the material and process that
>>> they have and learn about what they are doing. Be as involved in the
>>> process and ask questions. Let them do the heavy lifting but use the freed
>>> time to learn about the whole patching process. At first, patching can seem
>>> daunting, but once you have done it a couple of times (and have really dug
>>> into the dirty details like checking for bugs in the current patch set,
>>> etc) then it ends up not being all that complex.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a great checklist that I built during my years of Exadata
>>> patching. In it, more time is probably spent reading documentation (and
>>> subtle changes in the process do occur during various time so you always
>>> need to re-read the numerous documents). The volume of material can be so
>>> daunting that sometimes Platinum will miss something subtle in a new patch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a couple of fun stories there but I can’t really tell them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
>>> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Mayen Shah
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 11:30 AM
>>> *To:* rob_at_oraclewizard.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Oracle Exadata Top Three Selling points
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even though quality of oracle platinum team support/monitoring/patching
>>> is questionable, that is added benefit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [
>>> mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org <oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *rob_at_oraclewizard.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 12:19 PM
>>> *To:* oracle-l_at_freelists.org
>>> *Subject:* Oracle Exadata Top Three Selling points
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've put in a request for (2) Exadata 1/2 rack server (prod / dr ) and
>>> (2) 1/4 rack Exadata servers (SIT / DEV). My negotiation stated with full
>>> racks (really wanted 1/2 racks). It's moving forward to what I really want.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Our current environment is 40+ Oracle 9i - 11g databases on what ever
>>> hardware the customer could pull together. So, there are a couple solaris
>>> boxes, quite a few windows database server and a linux server. each
>>> database running on it's own server. My evil plan is to pull the customer
>>> into 2016 kicking and screaming, migrating all these databases to 12C PDB
>>> to create a private DB cloud. The DBA, development staff and director is
>>> supporing my efforts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now my director is asking for the three top bullet points to take to his
>>> boss. On why we should go to Exadata.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are your top three reasons to move to exadata. I want this to be
>>> strong; so there is quite likely some things I have not thought about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Performance.
>>>
>>> - Operational maintenance (one big server as apposed to 40+ servers
>>> scattered over diffrent versions and OS's)
>>>
>>> - Make the DBA staff happy. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ===================================
>>>
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