Re: Extended RAC on SE

The license text quoted earlier said clearly that in the case of RAC, each instance is capped to 8 processor threads. That is consistent with the statement earlier in the same text that each *database* (not database instance) is limited to a maximum of 16 processor threads.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Niels Jespersen <NJN_at_dst.dk> wrote:

> If the software is capped at 16 threads, then 2 instances will be able to
> use 32 threads? Or is it a license cap, so that hardware cannot contain
> more than 16 cores? Knowing that vague language sometimes have harsh
> meanings, I’m not sure which.
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> /Niels
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> *Fra:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org]
> *På vegne af *Tom Dale
> *Sendt:* 2. september 2015 11:53
> *Til:* ilsuonogiallo_at_gmail.com
> *Cc:* Oracle-L Group
> *Emne:* Re: Extended RAC on SE
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> Oracle has updated their licence doc with SE2 details
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> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/databaselicensing-070584.pdf
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> Oracle Database Standard Edition 2 may only be licensed on servers that
> have a maximum capacity of 2 sockets. When used with Oracle Real
> Application Clusters, Oracle Database Standard Edition 2 may only be
> licensed on a maximum of 2 one-socket servers. In addition, notwithstanding
> any provision in Your Oracle license agreement to the contrary, each Oracle
> Database Standard Edition 2 database may use a maximum of 16 CPU threads at
> any time. When used with Oracle Real Application Clusters, each Oracle
> Database Standard Edition 2 database may use a maximum of 8 CPU threads per
> instance at any time. The minimums when licensing by Named User Plus (NUP)
> metric are 10 NUP licenses per server.
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> This is a pretty big change :
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> - a change to a maximum of 2 sockets, this will be a problem for anyone on
> a 4 socket server, even if only 2 are populated.
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> - standard edition RAC now requires 1 socket servers, and as Mark pointed
> out these are very hard to find as data centre rack servers, you won't get
> them from the big vendors, HP etc, its only supermicro I know of who supply
> them.
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> - Capped at 16 threads, but 16 threads on physical cores is actually quite
> a lot of capacity, eg Intel E5-2667 v3 (3.2 GHz, Max Turbo 3.6 GHz, 8
> core), considering you can't use multiple RMAN threads etc
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> Andrea,
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> I have not seen a list of chips that qualify for what license,
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> Has anyone else?
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> Tom
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> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Andrea Monti <ilsuonogiallo_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi ,
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> in the past I was told by Oracle people that "multi-chip modules" only
> refers to some unix-class processors (some IBM Power and SPARC processors).
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> Do you have any other clues about that?
> Did anyone find some evidence to say that *any* x86 processor will not be
> considered a multi-chip module?
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> Regards
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> Andrea
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> 2015-09-02 2:45 GMT+02:00 Mark Brinsmead <mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com>:
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> Yeah. And that "multi-chip module" language is a serious issue too.
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> Is your CPU a multichip module? How do you know? Its surprisingly hard
> to find out, even if you *do* know the exact model of CPU.
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> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk> wrote:
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> I agree Mark,
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> ​Finding single-socket servers is indeed tricky!​
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> We have bought many servers from broadberry in the UK, they allow us to
> have SSD's, lsi controllers and 4hr hardware support, at a reasonable
> cost, they do some single socket servers
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> eg
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> http://www.broadberry.co.uk/superservers-supermicro-servers/as-1012a-m73rf
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> Full spec :
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> http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/1018/sys-1018gr-t.cfm
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> I just configured one
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> E5-2699 v3 Intel 18 Core Xeon 2.3GHz 45Mb Cache 145 Watts
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> 6x 800GB Intel SSD S3500 DataCentre SERIES 2.5IN SATA3 MLC
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> LSI MegaRAID 9380-4i4e 12Gb/s SAS/SATA RAID Controller, 1Gb DDR4 Cache,
> with Internal & External Ports
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> 10GbE Dual-Port SFP+ (Direct Attached) Server Adapter - Intel E10G42BTDA
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> 1st Year 24/7 Support - Up to 4 hours after submission of ticket, up to 5
> incidents per year
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> £9,618.81 Ex. VAT
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> The E5-2699 v3 Intel 18 Core is a single chip processor, so my
> understanding has always been it only needs one license, but I am no
> licensing expert!
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> From http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/sig-070616.pdf
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> When licensing Oracle programs with Standard Edition One or Standard
> Edition in the product name, a processor is counted equivalent to an
> occupied socket; however, in the case of multi-chip modules, each chip in
> the multi-chip module is counted as one occupied socket.
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> But as Alfredo and Svetoslav have said a change in licensing might make
> this a pointless exercise.
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> Oh well!
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> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mark Brinsmead <mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> This is true. However, finding single-socket servers can be something of
> a challenge.
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> The example cited seems to work -- unless that 18-core processor is
> implemented as a multi-chip-module ;-) -- but the majority of servers these
> days are equipped with at least two sockets. You'll also need to make
> certain your single socket server has enough network interfaces.
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> I don't know whether Oracle ever removed the language about multi-chip
> modules from the OLSA. If they haven't though, it (still) makes license
> management with SE very tricky.
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> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk> wrote:
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> As I read it you can 4 nodes,
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> https://support.oracle.com/epmos/faces/DocumentDisplay?_afrLoop=358910255816631&id=220970.1&_adf.ctrl-state=znnb3zko4_57#A5750
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> Oracle Database Standard Edition can only be licensed on servers that have
> a maximum capacity of 4 sockets. If licensing by Named User Plus, the
> minimum is 5 Named User Plus licenses. Oracle Database Standard Edition,
> when used with Oracle Real Application Clusters, may only be licensed on a
> single cluster of servers supporting up to a total maximum capacity of 4
> sockets.
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> *NOTE: This means that the server capacity must meet the restriction even
> if the sockets are empty, since they count towards capacity.*
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> So if you have 4 single *socket* servers
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> eg you could have a single 18 core intel 2600 v3 with 512gb of ram in -
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> http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/1018/SYS-1018R-WC0R.cfm
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> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Fernando Andrade <correo_at_fjandrade.com>
> wrote:
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> Thanks _at_Joe
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> The answer was in the referenced doc. 220970.1
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> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Sweetser, Joe <JSweetser_at_icat.com> wrote:
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> Check out Doc ID 220970.1 on MOS/metalink (old school J ).
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> Short answer is yes but there are a few restrictions.
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> Hth,
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> -joe
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Fernando Andrade
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2015 5:23 PM
> *To:* Oracle-L Group <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
> *Subject:* Extended RAC on SE
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> Hi I recieved an extrange request for a client.
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> He wants a extended RAC on SE, I have found this reference googling:
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> http://isu.ifmo.ru/docs/doc111/license.111/b28287/editions.htm
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> "Extended or stretch clusters are not supported with Standard Edition and
> Oracle RAC. An Extended or stretch cluster is defined as "A cluster where
> all nodes are not located in the same room"
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> I havent found this paragraph in the documentation provided by Oracle nor
> in 11.1, 11.2 or 12.1.
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> Any one with more information? Thanks
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> FJA
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