Re: Monitoring Standard Edition in EM 12c
From: Hans Forbrich <fuzzy.graybeard_at_gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 08:56:46 -0600
Message-ID: <55687E2E.4020805_at_gmail.com>
On 29/05/2015 8:29 AM, Mladen Gogala (Redacted sender mgogala_at_yahoo.com for DMARC) wrote:
> On 05/29/2015 09:44 AM, Hans Forbrich wrote:
>> It appears that Oracle's Marketing has failed miserably.
>
> Hans, don't judge them too harshly. Ask yourself, if you were a CIO,
> what would you utilize as an enterprise monitoring solution? How easy
> it is to find system administration staff who knows OEM 12c? I am not
> talking about Oracle DBA, enterprise monitoring solutions are usually
> set up by system administrators. The open source communities have been
> around for much longer time and are well entrenched in the
> universities. OEL 12c faced an uphill battle from the start, with very
> little chance of actually winning.
>
Your response is exactly WHY I judge them harshly - you are ignoring the fact that the free solutions like Zabbix have a huge hidden COST. In fact, a number of 'free' Oracle Server monitoring solutions require the addition of more CPU licenses to compensate for the monitoring load. Can't call that free ...
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 08:56:46 -0600
Message-ID: <55687E2E.4020805_at_gmail.com>
On 29/05/2015 8:29 AM, Mladen Gogala (Redacted sender mgogala_at_yahoo.com for DMARC) wrote:
> On 05/29/2015 09:44 AM, Hans Forbrich wrote:
>> It appears that Oracle's Marketing has failed miserably.
>
> Hans, don't judge them too harshly. Ask yourself, if you were a CIO,
> what would you utilize as an enterprise monitoring solution? How easy
> it is to find system administration staff who knows OEM 12c? I am not
> talking about Oracle DBA, enterprise monitoring solutions are usually
> set up by system administrators. The open source communities have been
> around for much longer time and are well entrenched in the
> universities. OEL 12c faced an uphill battle from the start, with very
> little chance of actually winning.
>
Your response is exactly WHY I judge them harshly - you are ignoring the fact that the free solutions like Zabbix have a huge hidden COST. In fact, a number of 'free' Oracle Server monitoring solutions require the addition of more CPU licenses to compensate for the monitoring load. Can't call that free ...
OEM Grid Control and thelatest version Cloud Controlhas been around for a long time - since 10gR1, and the core has been there for longer. Claiming that Cloud Control is 'new' (which, in real terms is 4+ years) would be like claiming Zabbix 2 is New and has nothing to do with Zabbix 1.
As for "How easy it is to find system administration staff ...", that speaks volumes to the divide between SAs and DBAs that has been created over the years.
And if any SA comes near my Engineered Systems with their Puppet stuff, I'm prepared to go ballistic.
/Hans
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