RE: oem 12c on hp-ux pa-risc 11.11

I can’t comment on what will happen in future releases of the product, but I would be very surprised indeed to find any plans to support pre-12c agents communicating with >11g versions of the OMS.  The amount of change in the 12c OMS code almost certainly would preclude that.

Pete

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From: max scalf [mailto:oracle.blog3_at_gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 10:55 PM
To: Maaz Anjum
Cc: Tim Hall; Pete Sharman; Oracle-L Freelists Subject: Re: oem 12c on hp-ux pa-risc 11.11

_at_Pete

thanks for that info.  Are there any plans in the future release of OEM for the funcanality ?  As i am sure there are a lot of sites out there running on unsupported version...

_at_Tim/Maaz

Thanks for that info on Metric Extentions.  I am going to make use of that for now.  I guess it would just be nice to have everything under one umbrella.  As we make use of the "Performance tab" a lot and other things.  

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Maaz Anjum <HYPERLINK "mailto:maazanjum_at_gmail.com"maazanjum_at_gmail.com> wrote:

Max,

I have had to use two OEM's before for the same reason as yours at a customer site. 

However, there were still a few unsupported (by em12c) database versions on certified host platforms where I used HYPERLINK "http://maazanjum.com/2013/12/09/a-useful-metric-extension-in-em12c-for-unsupported-oracle-database-versions/"Metric Extensions from a host perspective to monitor their status and tablespace usage. You "could" modify the script in my post that checks the instance status via a tnsnames alias instead of a local connection. Looking back at the customer's configuration, I ended up installing the 12c agent on the 11.11 platform and deployed the aforementioned Metric Extension. Though, I don't think this is supported.

Likewise, you could set up a "ping" and "df" Metric Extension to the 11.11 host from, let's say, the EM host target.

I think Tim is correct, and that I have heard the same from someone else as well. Sadly, I do not have any documentation for it :(

Cheers,

Maaz

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Tim Hall <HYPERLINK "mailto:tim_at_oracle-base.com"tim_at_oracle-base.com> wrote:

I just read that back and what I was saying was unclear.

So we had a 12c agent on box A monitoring an instance on box B...

As I said, long time ago and I didn't write down what I did, so it officially does not exist. :)

Cheers

Tim...

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Tim Hall <HYPERLINK "mailto:tim_at_oracle-base.com"tim_at_oracle-base.com> wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible for an agent to monitor some aspects of a remote system? I'm sure we did this under 12c once for an old system that had not been upgraded yet. It was a while ago and they system has been upgraded now, so I don't have anything to refer back to, so my memory could be failing me... :)

Cheers

Tim...

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Peter Sharman <HYPERLINK "mailto:pete.sharman_at_oracle.com"pete.sharman_at_oracle.com> wrote:

No it will not work.  Pre-12c agents cannot communicate with a 12c OMS. 

Pete

Pete Sharman
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Enterprise Manager Product Suite
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From: max scalf [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:oracle.blog3_at_gmail.com"oracle.blog3_at_gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:17 AM
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:oracle-l_at_freelists.org"oracle-l_at_freelists.org Subject: oem 12c on hp-ux pa-risc 11.11

Hello List,

I have a question and maybe some of you guys are already doing this(or not).  We have some old HP-UX PA Risc(11.11) and i want them monitored with our new OEM 12c(12.1.0.3).  Looking at the certification matrix looks like 11.11 is not supported with the 12c agent.  

I have one thing i have done in the past, where i wanted to monitor our old pa-risc(11.11) box from Grid control version 11.1.0.7.  I was unable to deploy 11g agent as well(due to support issue, pa-risc 11g agent only supported  pa-risc 11.23 and 11.31).  So as a worked around I deployed 10.2.0.5 agent on that old pa-risc 11.11 box and got it connected to 11g grid control.  

Most of these old box run DB version 10.2.0.4 or 10.2.0.5.  I am not sure if i can still do this with OEM 12c?  where i can either re-deploy(or point them to 12c OEM) 10.2.0.5 agent on these old 11.11 box.  Obviously i am sure you guys are probably asking why are you asking here, why not just try it and find out yourself as you have already done this before.

That's were i am stuck.  Our team/Management do not want me to do that and they are okay with using 2 different OEM(11g grid of all these old box and 12c for newer version).  I think if we can make this work, then we do not have to deal with 2 different OEM versions and everything will be under one umbrella.    

I just wanted to post this out here and see what people have to say, so at the least i can point our team/management to right direction.  

Is anyone monitoring there old hp-ux pa-risc 11.11 box with OEM 12c, if so what are you doing?

Any pointers would be appreciated.  

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