RE: Standy database on standard edition

From: Patterson, Joel <jpatterson_at_entint.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:08:16 -0400
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Just so there is no misunderstanding on the list. The question has been resolved. I was asked to post the results of the Service Request, but I believe we all know it will be melodramatic -- based on the below link. The analyst is attempting to take the easy way out rather than commit, (at least to the Enterprise edition portion of the question). But he has been somewhat helpful so don't read into that.

Anyone wishing to continue can continue offline, and I will be happy to correspond, or even combine if there are more than one.

Joel Patterson
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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Patterson, Joel
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:47 AM
To: dbvision_at_iinet.net.au; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: RE: Standy database on standard edition

The SR analyst has essentially sent me to http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/license.112/e10594/editions.htm which was not entirely unexpected.   So I'm pushing back to see if I can get a commitment.   It is rather a mute point at the moment since Data Guard is not available on Standard Edition.

As to your remarks, I thought someone would say that.  It's a windows machine and when the services start the database starts.   He has some tools that creates the database, and/or exports/imports his schema, so it sounds like the product is as self-contained as possible.

I mentioned early on that it is an embedded license so the application and the database are sold as a licensed unit.   Vendor sells to client, client doesn't want to do the care and feeding.   It is apparently very restricted but with caveats for 'automated' processes, or 3rd party processes or something to that affect.

Just remember, I don't know what the details are, and I am not communicating directly, but indirectly, and I am sure that something is being left out or lost in translation -- I was just curious for some clarifications and opinions, especially since Data Guard and standby are very close.  One is just better at doing the job.



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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Nuno Souto
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:19 AM
To: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: Re: Standy database on standard edition

On 14/06/2013 9:37 PM, Patterson, Joel wrote:


> Its news to me.  I don't talk to the vendor, or the client directly -- but doubt if I would argue against his licensing opinions even if I suspect they are misplaced.     He says even sqlplus cannot be used...


That would indeed be a first in Oracle licensing!  sqlplus is essential to start and shutdown and manage the db, even if OEM is being used.  I suspect there is something else weird going on there.  Perhaps the Oracle licensing was provided as an embedded part of a third party application from the supplier?  If so, then indeed the licensing will be very  restricted.  As in: nothing but the kernel code will be licensed.






> ???

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> Backups can be done by a 3rd party tool which could mean home grown or purchased I suppose -- but not rman...   I'm just not going there, it is what it is.

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Yeah, if it is an embedded license you'll need a third party tool for just about everything.  Very weird, I didn't know Oracle was still doing that sort of thing.  Was all the rage back in the 80s but people wised up after that.

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