RE: Standy database on standard edition
From: Patterson, Joel <jpatterson_at_entint.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:20:45 -0400
Message-ID: <C1117B1AA0340645894671E09A7891F71511DF69A8_at_EIHQEXVM2.ei.local>
Yes, what I was looking for, so to speak. To tell you the truth I believe the client believes they are OK, and they are not going to get a lawyer because they are licensed via an embedded license from the Vendor... :) All one can do is what one can do. Ultimately it is up to the client and vendor to reveal any caveats - and apparently there are some. I certainly cannot obtain a lawyer, nor a sales agent. One would think the SR would be routed to such a department, but its not; and it's a severity 4 SR; leading me to start a conversation about it.
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:20:45 -0400
Message-ID: <C1117B1AA0340645894671E09A7891F71511DF69A8_at_EIHQEXVM2.ei.local>
Yes, what I was looking for, so to speak. To tell you the truth I believe the client believes they are OK, and they are not going to get a lawyer because they are licensed via an embedded license from the Vendor... :) All one can do is what one can do. Ultimately it is up to the client and vendor to reveal any caveats - and apparently there are some. I certainly cannot obtain a lawyer, nor a sales agent. One would think the SR would be routed to such a department, but its not; and it's a severity 4 SR; leading me to start a conversation about it.
Joel Patterson
Database Administrator
904 928-2790
From: Justin Mungal [mailto:justin_at_n0de.ws]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:58 PM
To: Patterson, Joel
Cc: fuzzy.graybeard_at_gmail.com; oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: Re: Standy database on standard edition
Hi Joel,
Therefore, there is no command possible for the standby that would violate the data guard licensing provisions. This is the question. It appears you answered it below eventually.
I agree with you completely. Look at what happens when I try enabling Data Guard on my test 11gR2 Standard Edition DB:
SQL> startup
ORA-00439: feature not enabled: Managed Standby
I think you're safe as long as DBA_FEATURE_USAGE_STATISTICS shows 0 in DETECTED_USAGES for the given feature you're concerned with.
From the same SE instance:
SQL> select detected_usages, total_samples, currently_used, first_usage_date, last_usage_date
2 from DBA_FEATURE_USAGE_STATISTICS
3 where name = 'Data Guard';
DETECTED_USAGES TOTAL_SAMPLES CURRE FIRST_USA LAST_USAG --------------- ------------- ----- --------- ---------
0 3 FALSE Hope this helps.
-Justin
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Patterson, Joel <jpatterson_at_entint.com<mailto:jpatterson_at_entint.com>> wrote: To be clear to everyone offline as well. Both servers are fully licensed, Both databases are Standard Edition. Standard Edition cannot use Data Guard.
Therefore, there is no command possible for the standby that would violate the data guard licensing provisions. This is the question. It appears you answered it below eventually.
I am not asking how to do it.
Joel Patterson
Database Administrator
904 928-2790<tel:904%20928-2790>
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> Section 2.3.2 of this document indicates that data guard is not part of Standard Edition.
> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11882_01/server.112/e25608/standby.htm
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> In your opinions, would my interpretation that the data guard licensing could not possibly be violated whether the standby database stays in recovery disconnect from session, or whether it is recovered once/day and opened read only?
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> I opened an SR, but it is a sev 4...
>
> Also, if both databases on the separate servers happen to have the same exact name, is that a show stopper or an issue? The standby will point its logsource for recovery to the primary archive log destination on a backup device.
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