Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if so inclined)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:02:46 -0300
Message-ID: <CAJ2dSGQ9kGCyrB=FPsk1ZJs=HHQCS_=mtmmDpHOPMA5NJbwiYA_at_mail.gmail.com>
I've often found it difficult to find candidates who would be able to provide "operational excelence" in a single RDBMS (Oracle)... I'd hate to have to look for someone who has to be proficient in both.
now, cynicism apart, I think that in order to be really good at what you do you have to dedicate a lot of time to it, and if you expect to have any kind of work-life balance then you simply don't have the time to master two RDBMS' to the same level.
"Ah, but I already know Oracle, so I'll spend the next 5 years training in SQL" you say? Well, good luck with that... if you have the time to do full training on SQL then I envy you... and furthermore, 5 years of full time training on SQL means no upkeep training on Oracle, which means you'd be stuck with 9i/10g right now with all these nifty new 11gR2 features... perhaps this is what Oracle is talking about.
Also, I think we need to consider the target audience and read a little more than the phrase itself, I think it's aimed at large companies with very large DBA groups (from 10 to several dozen dbas), so they are giving a statement that applies to *most* people. I have no doubt that there's someone out there that is an Oracle Guru and an expert in SQL Server and also dabbles in MySQL and PGSQL and keeps a Sybase in his usbkey... though I doubt very much they are very common and I'd wager they have more than a couple of decades of experience, which means hiring them may prove too expensive.
just my 0.02 AR$. ;-)
cheers
Alan.-
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Taylor, Chris David < ChrisDavid.Taylor_at_ingrambarge.com> wrote:
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> I actually made the conscious decision to not define Operational Excellence
> because it is different for each organization. Operational excellence might
> be recognized by providing 5 9s of availability (99.999) because that is
> what is determined as the measuring stick for a particular organization. A
> different organization may strive for response time for 90% of queries to
> complete in under 10 ms. Obviously these are simplistic examples.****
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> I think you have made the mistake of equating excellence with infallible or
> inerrant (or perhaps both). Perhaps to you that is what operational
> excellence *is. * To be inerrant and/or infallible.****
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> I hope that helps.****
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> --Chris****
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Coll-Barth, Michael
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:13 PM
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> *To:* oracle-l_at_freelists.org
> *Subject:* RE: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to
> explain if so inclined)****
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> What utter nonsensical, management double speak; 'operational excellence'.
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> But, I'll play.****
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> Care to define the term? ****
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> If I were to take the term at face value, I'd have to say that there are
> very few out there that could be considered excellent at anything. Some of
> us may be very good or even damn good, but excellent? No. Even someone
> like Tom Kyte has failings and he'd be the first to tell you that. Just
> check out his web site.****
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> As written, the statement is false and inflammatory. ****
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> Add the following line; 'But that individual could provide the operational
> proficiency that is quite a bit more than good enough', and the statement
> becomes true and reasonable.****
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> And with that said, 'excellence' is something to be strived for by
> everyone, but is rarely, if ever, achieved by anyone.****
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> I haven't eaten today, so perhaps I'm just not feeling excellent. Ted,
> Bill? You ready to head out? Your stepmom *is* cute, though.****
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Taylor, Chris David
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:47 PM
> *To:* 'oracle-l_at_freelists.org'
> *Subject:* Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain
> if so inclined)****
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> I just want to get an idea of where some of you fall on this statement…***
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> Truth Statement:****
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> Due to the differences in Oracle and Microsoft database products, an
> individual person cannot provide operational excellence in both products
> with regard to the management of large enterprise data stores. ****
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> (That is, to achieve operational excellence in regard to enterprise data
> management of large data stores managed by both Oracle and SQL Server, you
> need individuals who specialize in each technology).****
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> --Chris****
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