RE: Is a RDBMS needed?

From: D'Hooge Freek <>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:39:06 +0200
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The real weird thing is, that even after paying these expensive licenses, companies are still trying to to make use of as little number of features they can. Because this way, the application is database independent ... yuck

Yes, Oracle database licences are not cheap. But Oracle also has a lot of features and some of them actually work too. So, why are companies complaining about expensive licenses when they apparently have enough money to pay developers to duplicate and maintain features that are already included in their db licences?

Yes, I'm ranting, I know...

Freek D'Hooge
Oracle Database Administrator
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From: [] On Behalf Of Guillermo Alan Bort Sent: donderdag 30 juni 2011 14:24
Subject: Re: Is a RDBMS needed?

so you are saying I should learn java (not too much apparently) blame everything on the database and miltiply my income four times? sounds good... downloading JDK and eclipse. :-P

Now, I don't think it's DBAs that increase the costs of the project, I think it the DB Licenses that do.

Oh, let's install a RAC here and why not make it an Active DataGuard... oh, wait, we went from the 4k of a SE to 20K in licensing... per CORE... fun! (I might be off in the numbers as I've never actually had to deal with licenses... but still)

Anyway, luckily (or regrettably?) it is not the case here that developers (regular ones at least) are paid more than dbas... :-P not that we get paid a lot... I think that speaks to the level of the devs' salaries more than it does to the dba's


On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Nuno Souto <> wrote: (pssst, Norman!):

I wrote that in 1998: it was part of my site back then, "the Den". It's never been more actual!   :-)
Particularly the last section, which nearly explains how Uniface works. Good design has never gone out of fashion: it's only been ignored by ignorant posers parading as "experts".  We gave up on tar and feathers too soon...


Nuno Souto

Dunbar, Norman (Capgemini) wrote,on my timestamp of 30/06/2011 7:57 PM:

Uniface - many years ago - was the only application builder that I would consider as being able to provide database independence. It had an "assignment" file which told it to use Oracle (ORA) or SQL Server (MSS) or plain text (TXT) and so on. Whichever setting was used caused a different database layer library to be used to query the database. It worked and it worked well.

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