Re: Oracle Enterprise Linux and Linux Standard Base (LSB)

From: Tim Hall <tim_at_oracle-base.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:23:41 +0100
Message-ID: <AANLkTimaXpJHzyqk6MzHASG_7LW3z_-NFsrGp5KBmAx+_at_mail.gmail.com>



Hi.

I think that's a little unfair. The history (as far as I know it) is that Oracle has been trying to get RH to accept these changes directly and RH have been refusing for some time. Remeber, RH already make their own mods/patches to the Linux kernel, as well as accepting other peoples patches when it suits them, so it would not be a game changer for them to accept them. As a result, these changes only get in to RH when they come through the main kernel tree.

This means Oracle is not only waiting for the changes to get into the main kernel, but then for RH to release a version of RHEL that includes them. As we know from RHEL6 delays, that can be a very long time.

So you can take the view point that Oracle are the evil empire and are trying to trash RH, but you can also take the view point that if RH got their finger out of their asses, Oracle would never have needed to do this in the first place.

The true story is often somewhere in the center. :)

Cheers

Tim...

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 1:41 PM, <rajendra.pande_at_ubs.com> wrote:
> In the end to me it seems like a cute strategy to kill RH Over time.
> Unless RH can and it is difficult to see how they can without the
> testing resources of ORACLE, RH will be more and more dependent on
> ORACLE to get these "performance" improvements (considering that ORACLE
> is the big game for Linux and RH).
> Then ORACLE in the name of early releases, more testing etc etc, and
> even maybe some patenting around some very specific technologies(SSD) or
> tying its code to ORACLE kernel will kill RH.
> Even in a best case the RH performance will be delayed by 8-12 months
> pushing it out of the game.
>
>
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> Subject: RE: Oracle Enterprise Linux and Linux Standard Base (LSB)
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> Tim,
>
> Question is how hardware (eg fiber channel cards) and third party
> software such as SymantecNetBackup will be certified against this kernel
> / linux.
> Currently many of them just say next to OEL "see Redhat", but now with
> the separate kernel ...?
>
>
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>
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> To: Ray Stell
> Cc: Jared Still; Oracle-L Freelists
> Subject: Re: Oracle Enterprise Linux and Linux Standard Base (LSB)
>
>
> Hi.
>
> Judging by what was being said at OOW, I think many of the existing
> Oracle systems will move across quite quickly. It's not a difficult
> change for an exisitng OEL/RHEL 5.5 system. Stuff on older RHEL versions
> will be more problematic.
>
> It was suggested that product certification will take place against the
> Oracle Kernel prior to the RHEL kernel, since it is their intention that
> we should all be using the Oracle Kernel anyway. Not sure if it will
> actually work out that way.
>
> Regarding Solaris, well it becoming a primary development platform
> (along with Linux and Windows) just means the versions will come out
> quicker for Solaris (allegedly) than they currently do because they
> won't have to wait to be ported from the completed Linux version. As you
> say, it doesn't necessarily mean support will have a Solaris box
> available to test.
>
> Regarding Solaris on Exadata and Exalogic. Not sure what the demand for
> this will be. Either way you are getting Intel kit, so I guess it
> depends on how deeply in love with Solaris you are. :)
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim...
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Ray Stell <stellr_at_cns.vt.edu> wrote:
>
>
>        On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 03:47:50PM +0100, Tim Hall wrote:
>        > but Oracle are
>        > moving over to it themselves, including in their appliances,
> so it's a safe
>        > bet that it will end up being more thoroughly tested with
> Oracle products
>        > than the RHEL kernel in the near future.
>
>        WRT the solaris jilt, when I went through that phase, the
> support folks did not
>        have any systems to test on to verify results.  Release of
> software was always
>        way behind RHEL, but I was already gone by then.  Coming to a
> theatre near you?
>
>
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