RE: oracle EE pricing
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:16:06 -0500
I'm as big of an Oracle fan as the next guy, but Oracle's pricing model for EE, and especially almost standard features like RAC and partitioning, is unsustainable, IMHO. There's a bunch of stuff that Oracle can do that no one else can, but at this point, for standard ACID compliance and CRUD activities, SQL Server, MySQL, and Postgres all offer completely reasonable alternatives.
In fact, for many startups I know, it's more cost effective to write their application to work with a scale-out sharded MySQL infrastructure than it is to pay for the RAC licenses.
This is one of the reasons I don't think Oracle would kill MySQL as part of the Sun acquisition - they really need to control a cheap/free/open source database product. If they killed MySQL, everyone would just move to Postgres. I'm sure that would have the EnterpriseDB guys jumping up and down with joy, but doesn't negate the fact that lots of people are unwilling to pay Oracle's premium.
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Kellyn Pedersen Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:09 PM
To: vit.spinka_at_vitspinka.cz; barb.baker_at_gmail.com Cc: oracle-l_at_freelists.org
Subject: Re: oracle EE pricing
Sigh...as much as I love Oracle, I won't lie, our new web based system is moving off of Oracle and onto MySQL. We are going to use load balancing and simply spread out the load from our current Oracle environment to four or more, (as needed with growth) MySQL databases that don't have the licensing costs that our Oracle system has.
We use SQL Server whenever an out-of-the-box solution presents itself for the same reasons.
Oracle was also not happy with me at my previous contract when I presented cost savings for a municipal government by showing them there was no reason for EE on all but one of their Oracle databases. We used that for leverage to freeze pricing for another year and was told by them that they will undoubtedly be moving all the databases to SE in the next couple months now that renewal time is here to make that pricing change happen.
Oracle needs to learn the old customer service saying- "Getting all you can from a customer's pocket once is not getting a customer for life..."
"Go away before I replace you with a very small and efficient shell script..."
- On Mon, 1/18/10, Barbara Baker <barb.baker_at_gmail.com> wrote:
From: Barbara Baker <barb.baker_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: oracle EE pricing
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:57 AM
OK to spec SE for new projects, but what about those of us with declining revenues? We would love to downgrade our licenses from EE to SE, and keep oracle, but oracle will have none of it. We are asked to shelve all of our EE licenses and buy new SE licenses. All of that money for our EE licenses in the trash can.
At that juncture, Postgre/MySQL or even SQL Server start looking mighty attractive.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:55 AM, vit.spinka <vit.spinka_at_vitspinka.cz <http://us.mc320.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vit.spinka_at_vitspinka.cz> > wrote:
I think the Standard Edition is underrated, and could save the day quite
often. It's just that most of us are used to EE and don't even think
about SE when thinking about new projects... True, you get RAC, you
loose all the packs, partitioning...
But quite often you can get around those limitations, there is even a product emulating DataGuard for SE (after all, SE has all the recovery stuff too, it's just missing the automation).
VitReceived on Mon Jan 18 2010 - 13:16:06 CST