RE: oracle EE pricing
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:51:35 -0500
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Well, the "cash cow" sooner or later becomes the commodity market where the price is controlled by the consumer. Had that happen to my old company. While power modules where premium items we could charge what we wanted, but then the market got saturated with suppliers and it became a commodity. Prices crashed. I keep hoping to see it here as well.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA/NA Team Lead
PAREXEL International
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Subject: Re: oracle EE pricing
I've seen several projects where the IT team/proj manager/IT manager wanted to go with Oracle for new projects but the finance team shot the deal down because of the price difference between say Oracle and SQL Server or DB2, now that SQL Server and DB2 have added many of the features that used to make Oracle standout. There are still many things Oracle does really really well, but when finance gets involved, they make it really hard to justify, so you get "You can buy SQL or DB2 or you delay the project" and some managers are just not willing to do that.
Where I am at now, they have us looking at Postgres because as they look to quadruple in size in the next 2 years, the Oracle costs will kill them, but our sales rep says there is nothing he can do to help us bring the cost down. I love PostrGres but it doesn't exactly match their RAC systems, and it's not instrumented the way Oracle is, plus the patching/support. Oracle knows they have ya and are probably willing to lose a few customers to gain the extra revenue from the rest.
I do have one big complaint, that Oracle wants to charge for Diag and Tuning packs to look at AWR data, but all the options. Also, you buy EE, but then you need to pay extra for RAC, Partitioning, Active Data Guard, Advanced Security Option, Advanced Compression, Real Application Testing etc... not to mention all the Grid Control packs. I wish Enterprise Edition included all these things, but realize it is a way to maximize revenue. It's almost as bad as Microsoft is with licensing Windows (how many different versions of Windows do they have?)... seems like both companies want to milk the cash cow.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Goulet, Richard
<Richard.Goulet_at_parexel.com> wrote:
Many years ago I interviewed with a major financial. They
operated in a similar way, though not exactly identical. In their minds
a computer was obsolete after 5 years, whether a desktop, laptop, or
server. They also believed in never opening their machines after
purchase, so all computers came porked, max memory, cpu's, fiber cards,
etc..... Disk systems were the same, buy EMC and fill it as we'll use
it sooner or later. They followed the same idea with Oracle. If the
machine was going to be a database server, buy a license for it, with
all options and then just leave it. No patches or support after the
first year. When the server came to the end of it's life they replaced
it along with the Oracle license if still needed. They claimed it was
cheaper in the long run, but I wonder. I'm no financial wizard, by any
stretch of the imagination, so it doesn't make sense to me.
What I don't understand, soapbox please, is why Oracle places
the cost of it's software as high as it does, after all it's software,
not platinum. There is no limit to the number of copies that you can
sell and at it's current price there is sufficient sticker shock that
sometimes the nod goes else where. I know that a project I'm involved
with is reconsidering their DB choice just because Oracle is so darn
expensive. The PM wanted EE with a 2 node Rac and Active Data Guard.
Will probably end up as SE, no RAC and a basic DR setup (recovery from
tape). The other side of this is that I've friends who have lost their
jobs, not because they were downsized, but replaced with DB2 or Sql*Server DBA's and that just on the impression that those would be cheaper. That is down right depressing. OK, we can put the soapbox away now. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA/NA Team Lead PAREXEL International -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of William Muriithi Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:20 AM To: pythianbrinsmead_at_gmail.com; WLJohnson_at_tycoelectronics.com Cc: vlajos_at_ludens.elte.hu; Oracle-L_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: oracle EE pricing I have clients who have operated for years without a support agreement (and without patching). But I would not voluntarily choose this myself, though. I am curious, would this still be acceptable to Oracle? I have always assumed that you are only allowed to play with it, for testing and learning. The moment you attach a business around it, you have to part with money, even if you do not need patching and support. Please do not infer that I am putting you in a tight corner. I have thought twice before sending this, but concluded you would be okay since you are the one who brought it up in the first place. Bill -----Original Message----- From:
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rg>] On Behalf Of Veres Lajos Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:41 AM To: Oracle-L_at_freelists.org<mailto:Oracle-L_at_freelists.org> Subject: oracle EE pricing Hi, I dont understand something about pricing. This page says:
https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/f?p=ostore:product:86489432026629::NO
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Perpetual license/cpu: 47,500$, plus yearly support: 10,450$ 1 year license/cpu: 9,500$ It looks like to me it is cheaper to re-buy a yearly license in every year, than the yearly support cost of a perpetual license. (And there is lot more difference in the first year...) I guess I am missing something, but I cant find it. Can you enlighten me? Thanks in advance. -- Veres Lajos vlajos_at_ludens.elte.hu<mailto:vlajos_at_ludens.elte.hu> +36 20 438 5909 -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- Cheers, -- Mark Brinsmead Senior DBA, The Pythian Group http://www.pythian.com/blogs -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l
-- Thomas Roach 813-404-6066 troach_at_gmail.com -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-lReceived on Mon Jan 18 2010 - 08:51:35 CST