RE: Oracle on Virtual Machines
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:23:40 -0400
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Hi List, I spoke to Oracle Sales and below is what I was told.
"Oracle can run on Vmware. As per the licensing, it goes with the Physical Hardware sizing but not with every VM we run on the physical server.
If we have the server with 2 Intel Quad Core CPU, we need the 4 CPU license to run Oracle on that box regardless of how many Virtual Machines we setup using that Hardware. Oracle can run on all the virtual machine with all the 8 cores.
Physical Hardware - 2 * QuadCore CPU = 8 Core * (0.5/core multiplier for Intel Processors) = 4 CPU License
From the Oracle support perspective, they might ask us to re-produce the issues in a non VM aware environment for an unknown bug. "
Raja.
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That is true. When discussing this with the VM team they got a distinctly sour look on their face. Oracle is simply making life difficult. The server administrators have no benefit from operating multiple clusters or having to actually disable or defeat VM features just in order to satisfy the DBA groups silly licensing problem. They also don't want to operate two different types of incompatible VM's. Since we have committed to VMWare and have an Enterprise license and our state is 90% Microsoft there won't be any growth in the Oracle portion of the database market here.
Donald Freeman
Database Administrator II
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
Department of Health
Bureau of Information Technology
2150 Herr Street
Harrisburg, PA 17103
dofreeman_at_state.pa.us
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We were evaluating this for a ct (in NZ, Oz) and they were looking at having to license every core (or CPU) in the VM cluster that Oracle runs in , leading to the conclusion that Oracle would need it's own VM cluster(s) for licensing reasons, rather than sharing a cluster with all the app/web servers and other rif-raf ;)
HTH -
Jeff
2009/6/11 Tony van Lingen <tony_vanlingen_at_technologyonecorp.com>
Mmmm, that's interesting. We had a discussion here last week about this very topic. It appears that (at least here in Oz) one would have to licence every core for every installed virtual machine (with Oracle on it), so if you would install 2 VMs on a 4-core machine, you'd have to licence 16 cores..
Has anyone a definitive answer?
Cheers, Tony Freeman, Donald wrote: Yes, my understanding is that you would have to buy 8CPU's worth of licenses for the 4 quad cores and you could create however many VM's the host could handle. I am not very familiar with Oracle VM to speak to it's features. We (Commonwealth of PA) plunged an bought an Enterprise license for VMWare so that's all we have. I don't know if Oracle has an equivalent to Vmotion but if you've only got one VM host what are you going to use it for? You don't start getting the full benefit of a VM until you have a cluster and can failover to another physical machine.
You haven't escaped any of the organizational problems that you would normally experience mixing production and development tiers. We have a production VM cluster/SAN and a development VM cluster/SAN. Just from an administrative point of view in the event of a failure it's not good practice to cripple both your developers and users with one issue.
Donald Freeman Database Administrator II Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Department of Health Bureau of Information Technology 2150 Herr Street Harrisburg, PA 17103 dofreeman_at_state.pa.us -----Original Message----- From: Subbiah, NagarajanIntel x86 platform, once you purchase the 8 CPU license using Oracle Licensing Metric multiplier (0.5/core for Intel) then we can have any number of VM with the any number virtual CPUs. OR for every VM's virtual CPU, you need to buy the license for.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:15 AM To: Freeman, Donald; Oracle-L_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: Oracle on Virtual Machines Hi Donald, Thanks. If we have the 4 Quad Core VM Host on
Oracle VM is similar to VMWare? Does it have all the features of VMWare (especially Vmotion)?
Though the SQL server is out of the scope for discussion, Any cons you have found of using SQL Server VMs combining both development,test and production in a single physical server assuming enough hardware resources are in place. We are looking at the options for SQL Server as well to consolidate 10s of SQL Servers.
Raja.
-----Original Message----- From: Freeman, Donald [mailto:dofreeman_at_state.pa.us] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:58 AM To: Subbiah, Nagarajan; Oracle-L_at_freelists.org Subject: RE: Oracle on Virtual Machines There should be a long discussion on Oracle on VM in the May archives. Oracle discourages the use of VMWare through licensingrestrictions which it does not apply to itself if using Oracle VM. You have to buy a license for every CPU on the VM host whether or not you are using it. I think the Oracle VM uses a config file to set the number of CPU's that Oracle uses. We don't have any production Oracle VM's but have some
development on VM clusters. We have a lot of production SQL Server
VM's.
Donald Freeman Database Administrator II Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Department of Health Bureau of Information Technology 2150 Herr Street Harrisburg, PA 17103 dofreeman_at_state.pa.us -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] On Behalf Of Subbiah, Nagarajan Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:20 AM To: Oracle-L_at_freelists.org Subject: Oracle on Virtual Machines Hi List, Does Oracle support running the Oracle databases on VMs using SAN? Oracle also has something called Oracle VM. How does itdifferent from Vmware solutions?.
Also, Looking to move the hardware from HP PA RISC architecture to x86 using Linux. What is the equivalent of 4 Dual Core PA8900 processeors compared to the HP Machines especially DL-G Series.
Any one has any experience of running production and development on same VM host; Assuming enough hardware resources in place any pros/cons of sharing the prod and dev on the same VM host?
Thanks in Advance. Raja. -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l
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