RE: Enterprise mangler More fuel to the fire

From: Johnson, George <>
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:49:05 +0100
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We used I3 for about 4 years.

        It was one of the few monitoring apps we could find back "then" that showed application performance based on the WI. Essentially it's a SGA attacher, so as usual with those, each time you make even a single point patch to a DB, you have to wait until Precise devs release an updated executable that can has the new SGA layouts. The great thing I liked was that it was R/O graphical web based interface, which meant we could hand out logins to all the developers and let them get on with it. We dumped it when OEM started showing us the same info as I3 at a much, much cheaper price per server. I think it was only supported on RHEL, SPARC64 and Windows at the time we used it.

        You really don't need a consultant to set it up, it's actually pretty noddy if you follow the instructions. After the initial set up, I set up a few I3 collection servers on Solaris and Linux myself, as usual they just want to rip the wotnot by charging fees for a consultant to come in.         

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[] On Behalf Of kyle Hailey Sent: 04 May 2009 19:38
Cc:;; ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Enterprise mangler More fuel to the fire

Spotlight was nice when it came out but hasn't grown out of the old statistics and ratio based performance monitoring that has long been supplanted by the wait interface analysis. Waits and CPU usage are much more exact powerful method of performance analysis. DB Optimizer is totally based on the wait interface which makes identification and analysis of issues easy.

Do you mean I3 by Precise when you say E3? I3 seems pretty good from the demos I've seen and clients I've know that use it. The issue I hear is that its extremely difficult to set up. When I talked to Precise about trying it out they said that an Precise consultant was required to come set it up. That's too much for me.

Kyle Hailey

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Howard Latham <> wrote:
> I am using spotlight. Its OK - you can tell if it is working -
> but you have to watch the screens - I have two on my desk. Plus it is
> very customisable - wont run scripts - has limited history etc etc. If
> the was an extendable Spotlight! or a reliable OEM.
> Is OEM dead?
> 2009/5/3 Mathias Magnusson <>
>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Nuno Souto <>
>>> Guillermo Alan Bort wrote,on my timestamp of 3/05/2009 12:28 AM:
>>>> Anyway, I don't really like Symantec... so my comment might be
>>> Yup.
>> Alan's comment seemed fairly balanced to me. He gave some reasons and
>> ideas of his experience. When you recommend E3, you give no reason
for it.
>> Could you compare and contrast the features with OEM? What are the
>> points of each and in which situation would you recommend either. To
me OEM
>> is a good tool for getting a quick overview, but fully understanding
>> source of a problem needs some digging in OWI and I have yet to hear
of a
>> product that does that so well that I can forget what I know about
how to
>> navigate it.
>> Mathias
> --
> Howard A. Latham

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