Re: Enterprise manglers
From: Fuad Arshad <fuadar_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <78887.5460.qm_at_web82105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
It also provides a better way of using some of the basic 10g functions and in gc 10.2.0.5 the high availablity console and maa advisor are nice . Grid control is definitely better in performance than precise product and even foglight from the oracle perspective the alerting and udm capabilities are easier to understand and use Fuad On May 3, 2009, at 7:01, Niall Litchfield <niall.litchfield_at_gmail.com> wrote: Grid Control is free for the database that you've already paid for. It's the extra packs and functionality that are add-on cost, and I have a history of objecting to that, in fact in my world (hehe) the GUI would cost, but the functionality would be part of the database. Never the less, the fact is that GC itself is free - that is you cannot purchase it. Now it is true that if you disable the functionality provided by the packs GC looks rather poor, but then you must make sure that you compare like with like, no running of AWRRPT, no querying any of the ASH related views, no generation of alerts via the server_alert package and so on. GC however essentially provides only 2 things, a centralized repository and a GUI for viewing things, drilling down into problems and so on. The centralized repository is something that scripts don't tend to have and drilling down from text reports requires a significant amount of skill. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Vishal Gupta <vishal_at_vishalgupta.com> wrote: I could not agree more. If Grid Control was free for managing the database for which you have *already* paid heavy license fee compared to competitors. Only if grid control was free, it would definitely kill off its competitors. I work at site which uses MSSQL, Oracle and Sybase. Sybase is dying at our place. But many times MSSQL wins the battle purely on price front for a new system being deployed. Regards, Vishal Gupta From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Guillermo Alan Bort Sent: 02 May 2009 15:28 To: dbvision_at_iinet.net.au Cc: ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Enterprise mangler E3? FocalPoint for Oracle? I've worked with it and it sux big time. I don't really like the commercial tools that are out there. I usually build my own set of scripts and load them to a DB and generate reports using either APEX or JPGraph+PHP Anyway, I don't really like Symantec... so my comment might be biased. As for OEM, I'd wait for a couple of years... it'll get better (as OracleAS got better than iAS, Oracle10gR2 got better than Oracle10gR1, 9i got better than 9.0) etc. I've tried OEM on 11g and works rather fine... I can't wait for Grid Control to be upgraded...^_^ and a couple of patchsets to be released, of course. I only wish Oracle would give it for free... it would be a greate added value to the database... and would essentially kill the competition (perhaps anti-trust would have something to say about this). In any case, perhaps in a few years GC will have OS monitoring and control as well (*cough* SUN *cough*) hth Alan Bort Oracle Certified Professional On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Nuno Souto <dbvision_at_iinet.net.au> wrote: Howard Latham wrote,on my timestamp of 2/05/2009 10:19 PM: EM is great when it works. But I seem to spend a lot of time fixing it - apart from Grid what other tools can monitor an enterprise of databases what do you recommend? E3 from Symantec. -- Cheers Nuno Souto in stormy Sydney, Australia dbvision_at_iinet.net.au -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.orawin.info
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 08:28:30 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <78887.5460.qm_at_web82105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
It also provides a better way of using some of the basic 10g functions and in gc 10.2.0.5 the high availablity console and maa advisor are nice . Grid control is definitely better in performance than precise product and even foglight from the oracle perspective the alerting and udm capabilities are easier to understand and use Fuad On May 3, 2009, at 7:01, Niall Litchfield <niall.litchfield_at_gmail.com> wrote: Grid Control is free for the database that you've already paid for. It's the extra packs and functionality that are add-on cost, and I have a history of objecting to that, in fact in my world (hehe) the GUI would cost, but the functionality would be part of the database. Never the less, the fact is that GC itself is free - that is you cannot purchase it. Now it is true that if you disable the functionality provided by the packs GC looks rather poor, but then you must make sure that you compare like with like, no running of AWRRPT, no querying any of the ASH related views, no generation of alerts via the server_alert package and so on. GC however essentially provides only 2 things, a centralized repository and a GUI for viewing things, drilling down into problems and so on. The centralized repository is something that scripts don't tend to have and drilling down from text reports requires a significant amount of skill. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Vishal Gupta <vishal_at_vishalgupta.com> wrote: I could not agree more. If Grid Control was free for managing the database for which you have *already* paid heavy license fee compared to competitors. Only if grid control was free, it would definitely kill off its competitors. I work at site which uses MSSQL, Oracle and Sybase. Sybase is dying at our place. But many times MSSQL wins the battle purely on price front for a new system being deployed. Regards, Vishal Gupta From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Guillermo Alan Bort Sent: 02 May 2009 15:28 To: dbvision_at_iinet.net.au Cc: ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Enterprise mangler E3? FocalPoint for Oracle? I've worked with it and it sux big time. I don't really like the commercial tools that are out there. I usually build my own set of scripts and load them to a DB and generate reports using either APEX or JPGraph+PHP Anyway, I don't really like Symantec... so my comment might be biased. As for OEM, I'd wait for a couple of years... it'll get better (as OracleAS got better than iAS, Oracle10gR2 got better than Oracle10gR1, 9i got better than 9.0) etc. I've tried OEM on 11g and works rather fine... I can't wait for Grid Control to be upgraded...^_^ and a couple of patchsets to be released, of course. I only wish Oracle would give it for free... it would be a greate added value to the database... and would essentially kill the competition (perhaps anti-trust would have something to say about this). In any case, perhaps in a few years GC will have OS monitoring and control as well (*cough* SUN *cough*) hth Alan Bort Oracle Certified Professional On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Nuno Souto <dbvision_at_iinet.net.au> wrote: Howard Latham wrote,on my timestamp of 2/05/2009 10:19 PM: EM is great when it works. But I seem to spend a lot of time fixing it - apart from Grid what other tools can monitor an enterprise of databases what do you recommend? E3 from Symantec. -- Cheers Nuno Souto in stormy Sydney, Australia dbvision_at_iinet.net.au -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.orawin.info
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