Re: Certifications don't count! (from a good test-taker)

From: Dan Norris <>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:30:19 -0600
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I completely agree. In fact, I've never even had an OCM show up as a candidate for hire even though the qualifications for some positions have been in line with OCM-level knowledge. I do think, though, that certification is sometimes used as a differentiator when there are two candidates with similar experience and skill (at least on a resume), but only one has certification. I don't necessarily think that's fair and it may not result in the best candidate getting the interview, but when filtering a stack of resumes down to a few that get interviews, you have to apply some sort of criteria.


Nuno Souto wrote:
> Hmmm, given that there are around 200 there and it is
> worldwide, I'd say basing interview selection criteria
> on solely the producing of an OCM is a bit short-sighted...
> Who knows, there might actually be good dbas out there
> who don't give a fig about paying through their noses
> for a "certification"?
> Cheers
> Nuno Souto
> in (finally!) sunny Sydney, Australia
> Dan Norris wrote,on my timestamp of 10/06/2008 1:44 AM:
>> For verification, you can just look online at
>> If they aren't listed there, they may still be an OCM, but if they're
>> on the page, they're an OCM since Oracle Ed maintains that page. As
>> far as I know, OCM credentials have no expiration, though at some
>> point, they're probably outdated and not much help.
>> Dan
>> daniel koehne wrote:
>>> A couple of years ago I got very frustrated when dealing with Oracle
>>> Certifications. On both occasions I needed Oracle to verify that a
>>> certification was valid (i.e. the person claiming to have a
>>> certification actually had one) but Oracle went out of their way to
>>> make verification difficult. When I needed to verify my certification
>>> to a perspective employer I got some mail stating that verifying
>>> certifications may take up to 2 weeks and the verification ended up
>>> taking a 8 business days. The other time I wanted to verify someone's
>>> claimed OCM and Oracle said that we needed permission from the person
>>> we were interviewing to start the verification process and that
>>> verification would take up to 2 weeks--I was suspicious about the
>>> initial OCM claim so this person was filed in the circular filing
>>> cabinet because of all the hassle.
>>> I have also had trouble proving to Oracle certification folks that I
>>> have taken the required OCP Oracle class.
>>> With Microsoft, I believe that the person with the certification can
>>> give you a number and you go to a Microsoft web site and are able to
>>> verify any certification claims very quickly.
> --

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