Return-Path: Delivered-To: 2-oracle-l@orafaq.com Received: (qmail 26220 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2008 12:18:31 -0600 Received: from freelists-180.iquest.net (HELO turing.freelists.org) (206.53.239.180) by static-ip-69-64-49-119.inaddr.intergenia.de with SMTP; 22 Jan 2008 12:18:22 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08C8F7EADCB; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06052-01-2; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68E127EAD47; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list oracle-l); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8882E7EB1D1 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05331-07 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxepar01.capgemini.com (MXEPAR01.capgemini.com [194.3.247.82]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0BED7EB2D6 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mxepar01.capgemini.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) id m0MIEZwG019457 for oracle-l@freelists.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:14:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from mxipar01.capgemini.com (prvmta2 [194.3.224.82]) by mxepar01.capgemini.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m0MIEZAm019437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:14:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from prvmta2.capgemini.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxipar01.capgemini.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m0MIEYH8009277 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:14:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from CAONMASTTM02.na.capgemini.com (caonmasttm02.na.capgemini.com [206.245.12.91]) by prvmta2.capgemini.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m0MIEYaJ009269 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:14:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from caonmastxr02.na.capgemini.com ([206.245.20.35]) by CAONMASTTM02.na.capgemini.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:15:24 -0500 Received: from caonmastxm02.na.capgemini.com ([206.245.20.9]) by caonmastxr02.na.capgemini.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:15:23 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C85D22.C14023F2" Subject: RE: RAC Vs Standby Database between Primary and Secondary Data Centers Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:15:53 -0500 Message-ID: <746B47FAF6783042B256C0E7CC0795CD026B6241@caonmastxm02.na.capgemini.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RAC Vs Standby Database between Primary and Secondary Data Centers References: <812660.30090.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <746B47FAF6783042B256C0E7CC0795CD026B61C2@caonmastxm02.na.capgemini.com> From: "Goulet, Dick" To: "Jared Still" Cc: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2008 18:15:23.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[C18B4420:01C85D22] X-imss-version: 2.049 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@capgemini.com X-archive-position: 4839 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richard.goulet@capgemini.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: richard.goulet@capgemini.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: oracle-l X-List-ID: oracle-l List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: oracle-l X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85D22.C14023F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OH DEAR, yes=2E Human error, mount the same san disk on two systems at different times (1 week apart) and see what happens=2E Newfs does wonderful things!! =20 ______________________________________________________________ Dick Goulet / Capgemini North America P&C / East Business Unit Senior Oracle DBA / Hosting Office: 508=2E573=2E1978 / Mobile: 508=2E742=2E5795 / www=2Ecapgemini=2Ecom Fax: 508=2E229=2E2019 / Email: richard=2Egoulet@capgemini=2Ecom 45 Bartlett St=2E / Marlborough, MA 01752 Together: the Collaborative Business Experience=20 ______________________________________________________________ ________________________________ From: Jared Still [mailto:jkstill@gmail=2Ecom]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:12 PM To: Goulet, Dick Cc: dannorris@dannorris=2Ecom; mssql_2002@yahoo=2Ecom; oracle-l@freelists=2Eorg Subject: Re: RAC Vs Standby Database between Primary and Secondary Data Centers =20 =20 On Jan 22, 2008 7:02 AM, Goulet, Dick wrote: I'm sorry, but I have not had similar experience=2E Most SAN installs that I've worked on have mirrored disk, dual or better interface cards as well as cabling so that there isn't just one path to the drives=2E I have tried NAS setups that have failed badly, but thankfully those were in a testing mode=2E Never trust a sales droid, always push the "press-to-test" button=2E=20 =20 The SAN's I have experience with have all that - dual HBA's, multipath,=2E etc=2E=20 They are still subject to failure and human error=2E As usual, human error is the biggie=2E --=20 Jared Still Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential= and is the property of the Capgemini Group=2E It is intended only for the= person to whom it is addressed=2E If you are not the intended recipient, = you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, = distribute, or use this message or any part thereof=2E If you receive this= message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all = copies of this message=2E ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85D22.C14023F2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OH DEAR, yes=2E  Human error,= mount the same san disk on two systems at different times (1 week apart) and see what happens=2E  Newfs does wonderful things!!

 

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Dick Goulet / Capgemini
North= America P&C / East Business Unit
Senior Oracle= DBA / Hosting
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Together: the Collaborative= Business Experience
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From: Jared= Still [mailto:jkstill@gmail=2Ecom]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22,= 2008 1:12 PM
To: Goulet, Dick
Cc: dannorris@dannorris= =2Ecom; mssql_2002@yahoo=2Ecom; oracle-l@freelists=2Eorg
Subject: Re: RAC Vs Standby Database between Primary and Secondary Data Centers

 

 

On Jan 22, 2008 7:02 AM, Goulet, Dick <richard=2Egoulet@capgemini= =2Ecom> wrote:

      &n= bsp;     I'm sorry, but I have not had similar experience=2E  Most SAN installs= that I've worked on have mirrored disk, dual or better interface cards as well= as cabling so that there isn't just one path to the drives=2E  I have= tried NAS setups that have failed badly, but thankfully those were in a testing mode=2E  Never trust a sales droid, always push the "press-to-test" button=2E

 


The SAN's I have experience with have all that - dual HBA's, multipath,=2E= etc=2E

They are still subject to failure and human error=2E

As usual, human error is the biggie=2E

--
Jared Still
Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl= Evangelist

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