Return-Path: Delivered-To: 2-oracle-l@orafaq.com Received: (qmail 3035 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 16:51:17 -0500 Received: from freelists-180.iquest.net (HELO turing.freelists.org) (206.53.239.180) by 69.64.49.119 with SMTP; 25 Sep 2007 16:50:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45FA47758C4; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03489-02-2; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA351775863; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list oracle-l); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EC6077676C for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31195-05 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email10.mywebmailserver.com (email10.mywebmailserver.com [199.231.136.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BA32776828 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 600d620tcoyle ([72.165.244.50]) by email10.mywebmailserver.com (IntelliMail) with ASMTP id CRY74585; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:45:40 -0400 From: "Ted Coyle" To: , Cc: , "'oracle-l'" References: <75aa80160709200314h475c66fh2c997c7cc5cae93c@mail.gmail.com> <46F27EC3.2060804@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Training for Oracle Performance tuning (Optimization) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:44:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c7ffb4$efdf1840$3921a8c0@medecision.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7FF93.68CD7840" In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-archive-position: 1877 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: oracle-l@webthere.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: oracle-l@webthere.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: oracle-l X-List-ID: oracle-l List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: oracle-l X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7FF93.68CD7840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Hotsos classes I've taken changed how I "optimize" Oracle, so I can't say enough good things about the Hotsos folks. Independently, I know people who have attended Mr. Shallahamer's courses as well and have found them equally beneficial. As for your course selection, what is it that you most want to accomplish: reactive performance optimization, or preemptive, performance-based SQL development? The SQL Intensive will give you great SQL development and adjustment techniques, but my opinion is that this class is better for developers and secondarily beneficial to database administrators. The Reactive class appears similar to the Hotsos Performance Diagnostics which is more in line with production support. Have you checked out METHOD-R? What about Craig's book? Method-R http://www.hotsos.com/method-r.html http://www.bookpool.com/sm/059600527X Forecasting Oracle Performance: http://www.bookpool.com/sm/1590598024 If you can't take both classes, make sure the focus is what you expect. Personally I'd opt for Hotsos Performance Diagnostics first, but then I really like Method-R. -Ted From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org [ mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Sunil Kanderi Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:08 AM To: oracle-l Subject: Training for Oracle Performance tuning All: I am thinking of enrolling in an Oracle tuning class and I have narrowed down to the two options below. I took one Oracle DBA class from Oracle and I was pretty disappointed since the instructor was pretty bad and it was very clear that whatever real world Oracle DBA experience he had, was quite dated. But the class served it purpose though, since Oracle requires(devious in my mind) one instructor-led class before you can get certified in 10g. I realize it is hit and miss if you take a class from Oracle, so I am not considering their courses. First Option: Advanced Reactive Performance Management for Oracle taught by Craig Shallahamer. http://resources.orapub.com/product_p/rpm.htm Second Option: Hotsos's Optimizing Oracle SQL, Intensive http://hotsos.com/educ_op.html Both classes deal with Oracle tuning and I realize that the curriculum is not exactly the same, but I was wondering if any of you that took these classes have any feedback on how good or bad they were. Any other instructor-led classes that you can recommend for performance tuning?. Thanks, Sunil. -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7FF93.68CD7840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The Hotsos classes I’ve = taken changed how I “optimize” Oracle, so I can’t say enough good = things about the Hotsos folks.

 

Independently, I know people = who have attended Mr. Shallahamer’s courses as well and have found = them equally beneficial.

 

As for your course selection, = what is it that you most want to accomplish: reactive performance = optimization, or preemptive, performance-based SQL development?

The SQL Intensive will give = you great SQL development and adjustment techniques, but my opinion is that = this class is better for developers and secondarily beneficial to database administrators.

The Reactive class appears = similar to the Hotsos Performance Diagnostics which is more in line with = production support.

 

Have you checked out = METHOD-R? 

What about Craig’s = book?

 

Method-R

http://www.hotsos.com/method-r.html

http://www.bookpool.com/sm= /059600527X

 

Forecasting Oracle = Performance:

http://www.bookpool.com/sm/1590598024

 

If you can’t take both classes, make sure the focus is what you expect.  =

Personally I’d opt for = Hotsos Performance Diagnostics first, but then I really like Method-R.  =

 

 

 

-Ted<= /p>

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Sunil = Kanderi
Sent: Thursday, September = 20, 2007 10:08 AM
To: oracle-l
Subject: Training for = Oracle Performance tuning

 

All:

I am thinking of enrolling in an Oracle tuning class and I have narrowed = down to the two options below. I took one Oracle DBA class from Oracle and I = was pretty disappointed since the instructor was pretty bad and it was very = clear that whatever real world Oracle DBA experience he had, was quite dated. = But the class served it purpose though, since Oracle requires(devious in my = mind) one instructor-led class before you can get certified in 10g. I realize it = is hit and miss if you take a class from Oracle, so I am not considering their courses.

First Option:

Advanced Reactive Performance = Management for Oracle taught by Craig Shallahamer.

http://resources.orapub.com/product_p/rpm.htm<= /span>

Second Option:

Hotsos's Optimizing Oracle SQL, Intensive

http://hotsos.com/educ_op.html

Both classes deal with Oracle tuning and I realize that the curriculum = is not exactly the same, but I was wondering if any of you that took these = classes have any feedback on how good or bad they were. Any other = instructor-led  classes that you can recommend for performance tuning?.

Thanks,
Sunil.


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