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From: Dan Norris <>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:53:16 -0700 (PDT)
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Enjoy your reading :).


----- Original Message ----
From: "Kerber, Andrew W." <>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:18:47 AM
Subject: RE: vmware & Oracle

Who or what is EnterpriseDB?  Never heard of them...

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Closson, Kevin A
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: vmware & Oracle

>>You don't need to pay for licences for development systems
"All software downloads are free, and each comes with a Development
License that allows you to use full versions of the products only while
developing and prototyping your applications."

...Oh how I knew people harbor that silly misconception. You have to
read the license when you download. That very URL has 2 boxes. One to
affirm you are not going to export the software to Libya the other says

"You may not:
- use the programs for your own internal data processing or for any
commercial or production purposes, or use the programs for any purpose
except the development of a single prototype of your application;
[ text deleted]
- continue to develop your application after you have used it for any
internal data processing, commercial or production purpose without
securing an appropriate license from us, or an Oracle reseller;"

...the license is for a SINGLE prototype. Once you deploy the app, you
have to license it. Then to maintain it (on going development) you have
to license your development systems. Note: that other post about having tons of CPUs sitting around to do
demos is most certainly not "the development of a single prototype of
your application." But then, I'm not the license police. I just suspect
that the advent of Linux and "freely downloadable" Oracle bits has
eroded the sanctiity of the license. That is, just abou t every Tom,
Dick or Harry can build a system capable of running Oracle for dirt
cheap and get Oracle bits. I'm a hypocrit then right? No, my use of Oracle software has
**always** been under the auspices of companies (Altos, Sequent, IBM,
Veritas, PolyServe, HP) that pay (big money) to Oracle to be in the
Oracle Partner Network (OPN). All told, if you download anything other
than XE and put it on your laptop to do anything other than prototype a
single application you are in breach of license. That means, if you are
not in the partner network and you develop software that interacts with
Oracle (no names but their initials are EnterpriseDB because I bet they
are not in OPN) or model interesting proofs on your laptop for a book or
blog entry or any other such stuff you are in breach of the license.
Bascially, if you make money with what you download, you owe money. 

..why am I harping? Because this EnterpriseDB crap has me absolutely
steamed. How do you implement an Oracle-compatible free piece of junk
without installing Oracle? You know these jokers have instances of
Oracle throughout their Lab and support center. Yeah, I'm calling them


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