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RE: OEM or lots of code?

From: Robert Freeman <>
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:39:02 -0600
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Just to be clear, there is not going to be a CD released with this book. We will see about putting code examples online though if that will help.

Thanks for ordering the book. I am actually very excited about it. It is my feeling that this will be my best book to date.


Robert G. Freeman
Oracle Consultant/DBA/Author
Principal Engineer/Team Manager
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Father of Five, Husband of One,
Author of various geeky computer titles
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Arif Gulzar []   Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:35 PM
  Cc: oracle-l
  Subject: Re: OEM or lots of code?

  FYI -Robert I ordered this book from Put some real life examples/best practice for doing some particular on CD would be good idea


  On 7/8/07, Robert Freeman <> wrote:
>> look for a mix with an attempt to think
    I think this is the direction we are going with this book. Arup Nanda who did a lot of 10g NF coverage for is doing a lot of commentary in the book (much like Jonathan Lewis did in the 10NF book which I think was priceless - Thanks JL). The added commentary I've seen thus far is such added value. Also I'm trying to add value by adding some of my personal experiences with things. Like I've said before though, page count is always limited and that is *so* frustrating and often requires that you cut stuff you wish you didn't have to.

    For everyone who has left comments about OEM vs. PL/SQL, the theme seems to be the same as that noted in the post below from Niall, do both and augment with some additional information and experience. I'll do what I can. Keep in mind that this is a brand new release, and this is an early adopter kind of book. So it's difficult to give a lot of real "production" experience in it (For example something like this takes ten hours to run if you have a database > 1TB), though I am running in several different environments, in fact I'm using more environments for this book than I have for either of the previous new features books. I can tell you that the entire book will be checked against the production code before it goes to print.

    Finally, I have had questions in the past about why I stopped blogging at my blog site There were a number of reasons for this, but I've decided to start up again, so I've added a new entry. I'll be adding Oracle related stuff in the near future so I hope you will check out the site once in a while.

    Thanks for all your feedback. It is my desire to give the Oracle community a book that will do everyone some good.

    Robert G. Freeman
    Oracle Consultant/DBA/Author
    Principal Engineer/Team Manager
    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints     Father of Five, Husband of One,
    Author of various geeky computer titles     from Osborne/McGraw Hill (Oracle Press)     Oracle Database 11g New Features Now Available for Pre-sales on !

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[]On Behalf Of Niall Litchfield
      Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 1:19 PM
      Cc: oracle-l
      Subject: Re: OEM or lots of code?

      Hi Robert

      I like seeing both. What I really don't like is a book (or course or
presentation) that is full of how to do x in OEM, now how to do X in pl/sql; how to do Y in OEM now how to do Y in PL/SQL it looks like a lazy author regurgitating docs. So I guess in a wish list that likely doesn't fit with publishing deadlines I'd look for a mix with an attempt to think, which interface makes more sense for most of my audience for this task. So for example when dealing with RMAN I wouldn't dream of covering the EM interface, when using ASH I'd be drilling down through the EM graphs, in both cases because I think those routes make the most sense for most people.

      cheers and good luck


      On 7/7/07, Robert Freeman < > wrote:
        Folks... I'm writing the 11g New Features book right now (It's up on
        for pre-sales, so I'm told I can mention the book, but I can't talk
        11g, so please don't ask). As I'm writing I find that I'm in a bit
of a
        quandary, so I thought I'd ask you what your preference is.

        If you have used some of the Advisor features in 10g, for example,
you know
        that there are pretty easy to use OEM interfaces into the advisors,
        there is the rather long, involved use of various supplied packages
        available that allow you to run the advisors.

        In this new book, I'm considering biasing my coverage to OEM for a

        1. OEM is less complex to use.
        2. Adding coverage for both will take up many more pages. When you
        writing a book you are limited to a page count range, so depth is
        based on this too.
        3. The Code route, in and of itself, can be complex. I'm not sure if
        worth the extra time to add the code in some cases just because of

        I'm wondering if anyone who has used these features or suspect they
will use
        them in the future has a preference. In some cases, if page count
        I'll do both. In some cases I need to select either/or due to page
        considerations. In the past, I've been very heavily code oriented
and really
        relegated OEM to the background, but now I'm thinking of moving in
the other


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