RE: Oracle - MS Access - Does your company have a policy about local vs. centralized data storage? (

We have Access databases using ling tables to connect to individual Oracle databases using ODBC.

I loathe and detest Access databases doing this - in my (not so) humble opinion, Access should stop pretending to be a proper database and stick to one user on one PC and stay off the network. ODBC is an abomination too - especially if you have to write programs that use it - I'd rather do OCI.

My problems with Access is the following :

• the Oracle table has a LONG in it.
• Oracle will prevent you using 'INSTR', 'SUBSTR' etc on LONGs.
• Access will let you write and execute a query that searches the LONG column for specific data - this would be prevented by Oracle by Access knows better - yeah right.
• Access rewrites the query (unless set up as a pass through) to fetch all the rows from said table containing LONG and converts to one of it's own TEXT types whihc it can search. So, as far as Access is concerned, it can search within a LONG column.
• BUT ...
• To do this, Access drop all the join criteria on that table.
• So, if you are selecting from a single table, fine, start adding joins in and suddenly you have cartesian joins galore. Check the explain plan below (Hopefully the formatting won't be too bad when you read it, apologies in advance if it is).

SELECT STATEMENT CHOOSE Cost: 437,487,529,649,273 Bytes: 43 Cardinality: 1
19 SORT GROUP BY Cost: 437,487,529,649,273 Bytes: 43 Cardinality: 1                                                         

18 MERGE JOIN CARTESIAN Cost: 4,378,297,989,168 Bytes: 731,784,448,796,610,048 Cardinality: 17,018,242,995,270,000 15 MERGE JOIN CARTESIAN Cost: 614,903,568 Bytes: 94,120,186,340,400 Cardinality: 2,188,841,542,800
12 MERGE JOIN CARTESIAN Cost: 60,438 Bytes: 5,287,650,918 Cardinality: 122,968,626
 9 NESTED LOOPS Cost: 26 Bytes: 1,298,858 Cardinality: 30,206                                 

 7 HASH JOIN Cost: 26 Bytes: 1,424,000 Cardinality: 35,600                         

 1 TABLE ACCESS FULL XXXXXX.RESPONSIBILITIES Cost: 4 Bytes: 70,364 Cardinality: 10,052
 6 MERGE JOIN CARTESIAN Cost: 13 Bytes: 1,174,800 Cardinality: 35,600
 3 TABLE ACCESS BY INDEX ROWID XXXXXX.AGREEMENTS Cost: 3 Bytes: 58 Cardinality: 2
 2 INDEX RANGE SCAN UNIQUE XXXXXX.AGR_PK Cost: 2 Cardinality: 2  5 SORT JOIN Cost: 10 Bytes: 71,200 Cardinality: 17,800  4 TABLE ACCESS FULL XXXXXX.HOLDERS Cost: 5 Bytes: 71,200 Cardinality: 17,800
 8 INDEX UNIQUE SCAN UNIQUE XXXXXX.ORG_PRIME Bytes: 23,325 Cardinality: 7,775
11 SORT JOIN Cost: 60,438 Cardinality: 4,071                                 

10 INDEX FAST FULL SCAN UNIQUE XXXXXX.P_PRIME Cost: 2 Cardinality: 4,071
14 SORT JOIN Cost: 614,903,566 Cardinality: 17,800                                         

13 TABLE ACCESS FULL XXXXXX.HOLDERS Cost: 5 Cardinality: 17,800                                 

17 SORT JOIN Cost: 437,487,529,649,268 Cardinality: 7,775                                                 

16 INDEX FAST FULL SCAN UNIQUE XXXXXX.ORG_PRIME Cost: 2 Cardinality: 7,775

Access and Oracle - just say "No" !

Cheers,
Norman.

Norman Dunbar.
Contract Oracle DBA.
Rivers House, Leeds.

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