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RE: OEM justification -oem Poll

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:28:08 -0400
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Thanks Brian, I know it took some time to write this. I'll print it out now, and give it the attention it deserves in a little while.

Joel Patterson
Database Administrator
904 727-2546

-----Original Message-----
From: Spears, Brian [] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:19 AM
To: Patterson, Joel; Subject: RE: OEM justification -oem Poll

I started the OEM poll and I will give a summary when I get a break in work

But in response to your question..

We have hundreds of databases so it kicks butt in helping us be proactive...
We could script most stuff..
But then you create something that is homegrown and not industry supported.
Quite a few people have written some kick butt stuff and can manage pretty
well without OEM for the basic stuff. But when it comes to it.. It wont match oem for scalability..if it does.. You are just trying to create your
own OEM.

OEM is quite extensible... It enables all kinds of time saving options...

Examples: We set up oem accounts and oracle accounts in our databases and
let others manage various repetitive duties like unlock account etc. Nothing
to install.. Give them the link to point to and they are off. We have too
much project load so we gave a limited access (one database with read only
on their tables) to OEM to look at their own crappy sql and fix it..(when
you are starving for time...this is a real breather)

We have been using OEM for years and everyday we get new ideas of how OEM
can save us time.. Just put in OEM jobs in the scheduler to automate bounceing/start/stop all dbs per server with hand off pages/emails to various groups ( In larger companies ...this can be a nightmare... Unix guys
wont let you hook the startups in the startup directories ) The OEM scheduler is quite good ... And I see the technology improving in quality
each release and that oracle is putting effort to make this a critical management tool....FINALLY!

I find OEM like the Rabbit hole.. Mentioned in Matrix... You just never know
when you reach the end of functionality.. I find a new screen everytime I go
in... ( ya it suchs a bit on the user interface... Its not self educating or
intuitive but one can manage)

It goes on and on... You can monitor the app/web servers as well as the oracle database and know where the problem is coming from... Without wasting

There is some great features like comparing hardware setups to check for differences.. Cloning dbs, patching dbs' with hook into Oracle metalink do
down load patches etc. Could it be that they are they copying Microsoft auto
patching (he he)?... I can see down the road this can create incredible functionality and time saving.

Bottom line...

Does your company need to be that on top of issues? We get new databases going in all the time so it really helps with problems of change. All this
stuff takes some spin to do the benefit/cost proposal but Personally after I was forced away from most of my scripting... I have come
to respect and value it (although that took a few years...and still some minor reservations).
If your company is not that big on proactivity and they pay great... Drop me
a line! Part of why we got into it was the that company wanted to reduce the
risk of all this dependancy of dba scripting and have an industry common frame as well as vender supported.

Where do I get my check from Oracle?


-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: OEM justification

I creating a justification for OEM. (Should I?)

The company used to license the packs for EM console, but stopped a year ago. I want them to license OEM Grid. For what I guess is $40,000? per 4 processor server? It would monitor 5 servers, 2 of them development, (maybe more... especially if it were to be extended).

ADDR, Accounts for various activities... e.g. Refreshing Dev or Test databases from OEM himself without DBA :) (cloning). Managers, operations,
can see real time graphs of how the database is doing. Jobs: RMAN backups, Tuning, and on and on.

What is the impact of Not having OEM. The databases will humm along like normal for a couple more years... but?

Just Listing all the benefits can be over the top -- they would also have to
understand... and overcome the hurtle posed by the fact that we are doing
'fine' now -- aren't we?

Any feedback?


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