Re: Oracle Vs SAP Round 1

I don't doubt that it will run a while, however if the specific allegations in the writ are provable - that 'customers' downloaded material they weren't authorised for from an SAP location - then even your 'all he has to do' remark doesn't apply.

And of course whilst it does 'run and run' SAP TN may well be operating under severe restrictions if at all, and the Safe Passage support scheme doesn't look like a world of security for existing customers.

On 3/25/07, Michael Fontana <MFontana_at_verio.net> wrote:
>
> *Any halfway decent lawyer is going to be able to defend SAP. All he has
> to do is point to language in the support contract permitting access and
> questioning how Oracle can definitively proof it was being used in an
> unauthorized fashion - regarless of how much stuff they took or what they
> did with it afterwards.*
> **
> *And if he's a really good lawyer, he's probably hired an investigator who
> is going to claim that Oracle has been doing the same thing to SAP servers
> multiple times in the recent past. *
> **
> *You're right - this thing will drag on for months and years - and likely
> be settled out of court, if at all.*
> **
> *Shame on Oracle for not putting some kind of governor on the volume of
> material being downloaded by a single user in a given period.....*
> **
>
> **
> Michael Fontana
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org on behalf of Richard J. Goulet
> *Sent:* Fri 3/23/2007 11:06 AM
> *To:* Rodd.Holman_at_gmail.com; oracle.rdbms_at_gmail.com
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> *Subject:* RE: Oracle Vs SAP Round 1
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> If you've the resources, and knowledge there are ways to browse
> through parts of a web site that you "should not have access to".
> That's how hackers create their "fame". And those tools are available
> on the web especially if you know where to find them. As far as source
> code is concerned, if you know the programming environment that created
> them then de-compiling the code is a lot easier, and there isn't a
> software vendor out there that does not prohibit decompilition. What is
> probably going to be the worse of all this is the "guilt by accusation"
> that's going to occur. People buying software and/or support are going
> to see this gorilla in the closet & wonder if their getting contaminated
> software or that the support their expecting simply evaporates. I've
> seen this happen before, it took what we thought was the best product
> for the job off of the table even though the case had not yet been heard
> in court. And I doubt very seriously that this gets resolved before the
> end of the year.
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> Behalf Of Rodd Holman
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> Subject: Re: Oracle Vs SAP Round 1
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> Good question. This appears to be related to the PeopleSoft and
> JDEdwards apps. Apparently they got in using privileged client access
> to the help site ??metalink?? and downloaded stuff they shouldn't have.
>
> How they got source code even through that is beyond me.
>
> Sinardy Xing wrote:
> > How on earth Oracle source code can be access from out side Oracle
> > network?
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