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Re: the IN club: Oracle "unpublished" information

From: Charles Schultz <>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:28:38 -0500
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  1. I have read JL's CBO bible quite a bit, some chapters many times (ie, Chapters 7 and 10). And I am very eager for parts 2 and 3. *grin* My questions are geared towards "what were they thinking". Jonathan (et al) does a great job in reverse-engineering and "fishy" for details inside the black box by making good guesses and using the scientific method.

Thanks, Nigel. I am hoping to meet some of these people.

On 3/14/07, Nigel Thomas <> wrote:
> Charles
> a) you want to know how it works? buy Jonathan Lewis's CBO book (and wait
> for parts 2, 3 etc). Invest some time in following his method (ie Robert the
> Bruce - try, try and try again); Jonathan gives you some tasty fish, but
> also the outline of a rod so you can feed yourself. That's what I'd do if I
> had some free time (I don't - but that's my problem, not Oracle's)
> b) "Is there any recourse to gently nudge Oracle Development "? As a
> former Oracle (UK) employee - including time in CASE and Apps development -
> I very much doubt it - at least as far as support goes.
> Your curiosity doesn't (in itself) pay the rent on Redwood Shores.
> Sometimes algorithms which seemed like a good idea just aren't. Sometimes
> there are bugs. Sometimes there are unintended effects in cases which the
> designers/developers didn't anticipate; perhaps data volumes are an order of
> magnitude or two bigger than they expected. Shit happens.
> Probably people like Wolfgang Breitling, Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap and
> others (my former colleague Dave Ensor springs to mind - I'm sorry I can't
> get to Miracle Scotland in May to meet up again) do the best job of nudging
> by publicising well researched and more or less non-judgemental
> "observations". Oracle developers - several of whom lurk or even respond on
> this list - do have some pride, you know! Point out a problem and they'll
> see an opportunity for improvement; maybe not in the next release, but
> eventually.
> The channels are there - but they are informal/personal. The Support call
> centre is simply not designed to do what you want.You can meet Redwood
> movers and shakers like Graham Wood (another ex-Oracle UK guy big in Oracle
> server performance) and K Gopalakrishnan - author of Oracle Wait Interface)
> on this list and at conferences like RMOUG, Miracle and Hotsos. That's the
> way to learn and influence, I think.
> So keep on ferreting about, and good luck!
> Regards Nigel

Charles Schultz

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