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RE: Background Checks for DBAs

From: Kerber, Andrew <>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:20:21 -0600
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Its not as bad as all that. The laws have tightened somewhat, and the company has to have a reasonable business need for a lot of those conditions. That being said, his company should have the basic background checks already done, and it should be his company (not the individual employees) responsibility to take care of all the paper work for any additional background checks the companies may require. I would think the HR department would be in charge of all that. A lot of these requirements come from the more extreme interpretations of Sarbanes-Oxley (thank you, guys) on tightening up security. Of course, the law as written doesn't specifically require a lot of the stuff being done in the name of Sox, but in todays litigious society, many companies choose to error on the side of extremism rather than risk a potential lawsuit.

Andrew W. Kerber
Oracle DBA
UMB "If at first you dont succeed, dont take up skydiving"

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[] On Behalf Of
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:36 AM To:;;
Subject: RE: Background Checks for DBAs

I'm thinking it would be a surprise if you had recourse except the choice to leave -- a lawyer could tell you if you stood a chance in *(&_. -- and much of that might depend upon whether this tidbit was buried in documents you may have received upon hire or later.

The corporation essentially is an environment where you do not have rights. You have the right to apply for employment -- I hope they disclosed this tidbit during the hiring process -- and indeed would not be surprised if the little tidbit was buried in some paragraph somewhere.

In a corporation, you can be recorded anywhere -- even in the bathroom... even in a department store as far as I know... about the only restriction is putting a camera in the stall... for example. Your email can be (and is) recorded -- (I think by law now). Your keystokes could be recorded if they wanted. Your phone can be recorded, your internet recorded and monitored. Drug testing.

Get the picture. You want the job, you take it. You want another job, you should get it before you quit. This would make it part of 'working conditions' verses 'compensation' that the company provide in competition with other companies -- that you are willing to accept - or not.

But legally, I couldn't tell you if it is mandatory. I would seek a lawyer, but with the caveat that in some states, like FL, it is a right to work state -- meaning that you can be let go for any reason at any time.

Corporations have more control on your life than China does on it's citizens. They are actually trying to control what you do off the job
-- in some cases in the name of insurance, like smoking, and the list
goes on.

Joel Patterson
Database Administrator
904 727-2546
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[] On Behalf Of MacGregor, Ian A. Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:59 AM To:; Subject: RE: Background Checks for DBAs

There are many places where background checks are becoming more common. The access to information by DBA's at credit card companies and other such entities can lure folks with criminal intent. I want these people well-vetted. Not all information which needs to be protected is a matter of national security. There is a great effort these days to protect, PII, Personally Identifiable Information. There is a likelihood that DBA's with access to this information working in government, or FOR a government contractor will require NACI's, National Agency Checks (with Interrogatories?) -- the "Are you now or have you ever been?" type questions. This same scrutiny is used to grant secret clearances, i.e. access to information, the release of which could cause grave danger to national security.

Of course the customers wants to do their own checks. Why should they trust your company to do them? I'm surprised, however, that there isn't a third trusted company which could say that you are already vetted. The information is not such that each company needs to see the investigation files.

As far as privacy is concerned. You definitely have the right to refuse the investigation or to provide none of the requested information. The customer has the right however to take his business elsewhere.

Most information theft is by People who have legitimate access.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

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[] On Behalf Of J. Dex Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:13 PM To:
Subject: Background Checks for DBAs

Does anybody work in a Data Center type of environment which houses databases for multiple/various clients (both government and private companies)? How are background checks handled? The reason that I ask is
that everytime we acquire a new client, the new client is putting us through
yet another background check. These are not Security Clearances. They are
either Certificate of Public Trusts or general background checks. Our company isn't doing the background check, it is the client themselves. It
is becoming ridiculous and we really don't want to keep giving out our SSN
numbers to multiple companies, etc. Our company wants us to be able to cover any of the databases at any time so they are making us go through the
checks each time. I am not sure if there are any Right to Privacy laws that
prevent the employer from forcing us to do this and I am wondering if any
other DBAs on the list are subjected to this.

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